1 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:03,800 and good evening from Philadelphia Frank 2 00:01:09,830 --> 00:01:06,690 here with a Thursday night edition of 3 00:01:11,540 --> 00:01:09,840 UFO news network Sunday something a 4 00:01:14,210 --> 00:01:11,550 little different tonight no guess it's 5 00:01:16,460 --> 00:01:14,220 just chanting I going through some news 6 00:01:18,590 --> 00:01:16,470 happenings that have popped up over the 7 00:01:21,620 --> 00:01:18,600 last couple of weeks or so that merits 8 00:01:23,990 --> 00:01:21,630 some comment and we've taken a closer 9 00:01:26,630 --> 00:01:24,000 look at some of this material so let me 10 00:01:30,620 --> 00:01:26,640 not waste any time and bring on my 11 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:30,630 co-host as always the one the only chant 12 00:01:34,940 --> 00:01:32,690 Hannah how are you doing tonight champ 13 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:34,950 I'm doing really good Frank how are you 14 00:01:38,330 --> 00:01:36,690 great great well we've had an 15 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:38,340 interesting last couple of weeks I know 16 00:01:42,230 --> 00:01:40,770 back in January I'd predicted that that 17 00:01:45,530 --> 00:01:42,240 February was going to be an interesting 18 00:01:46,940 --> 00:01:45,540 month with some big news and were coming 19 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:46,950 up on the last week of the month and 20 00:01:53,090 --> 00:01:50,250 that hasn't happened and I'm just and 21 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:53,100 I'm disappointed in all that but enough 22 00:01:57,830 --> 00:01:55,530 news has happened and unfortunately it's 23 00:01:59,210 --> 00:01:57,840 not of the necessarily really good 24 00:02:01,730 --> 00:01:59,220 variety what we're learning a lot more 25 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:01,740 about UFOs unfortunately a lot of this 26 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:04,410 involves how people go about UFOs and of 27 00:02:10,370 --> 00:02:07,410 course and that's quite often not always 28 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:10,380 a pleasant thing so let's let's not beat 29 00:02:16,540 --> 00:02:12,210 around the bush let's get right to our 30 00:02:19,700 --> 00:02:16,550 first topic of the evening let's get to 31 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:19,710 something that happened the weekend 32 00:02:25,190 --> 00:02:22,770 before last out in West Virginia and 33 00:02:29,390 --> 00:02:25,200 this relates to the infamous Wilson 34 00:02:32,170 --> 00:02:29,400 notes what happened was how putt-off was 35 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:32,180 making a public presentation and 36 00:02:37,970 --> 00:02:35,010 following his presentation there was an 37 00:02:39,740 --> 00:02:37,980 open question and answer session and he 38 00:02:42,530 --> 00:02:39,750 got a question he got a couple of 39 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:42,540 interesting questions one from a fellow 40 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:45,090 named Jonathan hunt another who was a 41 00:02:49,250 --> 00:02:47,730 friend of the show here Tom Whitmore 42 00:02:53,390 --> 00:02:49,260 they both got a couple interesting 43 00:02:55,220 --> 00:02:53,400 questions in and Jonathan hunt got there 44 00:03:00,050 --> 00:02:55,230 the question in about the Wilson 45 00:03:02,449 --> 00:03:00,060 documents and basically hip-hop's 46 00:03:04,970 --> 00:03:02,459 response was that is a question about 47 00:03:06,710 --> 00:03:04,980 the Wilson documents they probably got 48 00:03:08,050 --> 00:03:06,720 leaked on the Internet and Wilson was 49 00:03:10,370 --> 00:03:08,060 one of the Joint Chiefs of Staff 50 00:03:10,850 --> 00:03:10,380 interviewed by my senior scientists 51 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:10,860 colleague 52 00:03:15,770 --> 00:03:13,170 Aaron Davis since it discusses 53 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:15,780 potentially ongoing problems or simi 54 00:03:21,350 --> 00:03:18,810 program's problems ongoing programs I 55 00:03:24,710 --> 00:03:21,360 have no comment so that's basically 56 00:03:27,980 --> 00:03:24,720 where everything started off needless to 57 00:03:30,730 --> 00:03:27,990 say people who were who believed that 58 00:03:34,460 --> 00:03:30,740 these Wilson documents are authentic 59 00:03:37,010 --> 00:03:34,470 obviously crowed that what put off did 60 00:03:39,410 --> 00:03:37,020 is it basically he confirmed that in 61 00:03:43,130 --> 00:03:39,420 fact those Wilson documents are in fact 62 00:03:46,010 --> 00:03:43,140 legitimate looking at the specifics of 63 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:46,020 what he said the all I got out of it was 64 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:48,290 that he seemed to be confirming that 65 00:03:52,550 --> 00:03:50,850 what put-off did was a confirmed that 66 00:03:55,010 --> 00:03:52,560 there was some kind of contact some kind 67 00:03:57,590 --> 00:03:55,020 of an interview between Davis and Wilson 68 00:03:59,930 --> 00:03:57,600 and that's as far as it goes the details 69 00:04:02,000 --> 00:03:59,940 of those Doc's are unconfirmed but at 70 00:04:03,860 --> 00:04:02,010 least that it seemed to me anyway and to 71 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:03,870 a lot of other people that at least he 72 00:04:08,660 --> 00:04:05,490 confirmed that there was an interview 73 00:04:10,010 --> 00:04:08,670 between Davis and Wilson and just the 74 00:04:13,220 --> 00:04:10,020 backtrack a little bit 75 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:13,230 this all stems from a meeting that took 76 00:04:21,949 --> 00:04:18,570 place between Steven Greer the moon 77 00:04:25,550 --> 00:04:21,959 Walker Edgar Mitchell and Admiral Wilson 78 00:04:28,340 --> 00:04:25,560 when he was working in the intelligence 79 00:04:31,790 --> 00:04:28,350 field in the for the Defense Department 80 00:04:34,490 --> 00:04:31,800 and basically the the follow-up 81 00:04:36,140 --> 00:04:34,500 according to Greer and Mitchell was that 82 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:36,150 Wilson tried to find out more about 83 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:39,050 these special access programs and about 84 00:04:46,130 --> 00:04:43,770 is the et presence being covered up do 85 00:04:49,430 --> 00:04:46,140 they have special knowledge and that the 86 00:04:51,830 --> 00:04:49,440 the story was way back when that when 87 00:04:54,050 --> 00:04:51,840 Wilson followed up on it that he got 88 00:04:56,930 --> 00:04:54,060 basically a door slammed in his face by 89 00:04:59,540 --> 00:04:56,940 this unnamed defense contractor he ran 90 00:05:02,210 --> 00:04:59,550 into trouble as far as being broken down 91 00:05:05,659 --> 00:05:02,220 and rank and Greer went public about 92 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:05,669 this specifically naming Wilson Mitchell 93 00:05:11,210 --> 00:05:08,370 mentioned the the incident but didn't 94 00:05:13,820 --> 00:05:11,220 name mitchell specifically and it caused 95 00:05:17,830 --> 00:05:13,830 quite a big hubbub but that sort of went 96 00:05:20,510 --> 00:05:17,840 away until these wilson davis notes 97 00:05:22,460 --> 00:05:20,520 became available freely on the internet 98 00:05:23,719 --> 00:05:22,470 and we've all had a hack at him 99 00:05:27,350 --> 00:05:23,729 including us 100 00:05:29,450 --> 00:05:27,360 and we've been able to yeah I think I 101 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:29,460 poked some major holes in the veracity 102 00:05:35,209 --> 00:05:32,610 of these documents so enough enough back 103 00:05:38,989 --> 00:05:35,219 story let's let's go a little bit and 104 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:38,999 talk about someone who or the individual 105 00:05:45,649 --> 00:05:41,849 who was put together at this particular 106 00:05:48,170 --> 00:05:45,659 program or how put off to speak at and 107 00:05:50,809 --> 00:05:48,180 that would be a man named John L 108 00:05:53,140 --> 00:05:50,819 Peterson who runs the Arlington 109 00:05:56,689 --> 00:05:53,150 Institute basically a Washington 110 00:05:57,170 --> 00:05:56,699 Metropolitan Area think-tank and he put 111 00:05:58,850 --> 00:05:57,180 this together 112 00:06:02,659 --> 00:05:58,860 now John L Peterson is an interesting 113 00:06:05,299 --> 00:06:02,669 guy because among well yeah obviously is 114 00:06:08,269 --> 00:06:05,309 able to book helped put off for a public 115 00:06:11,299 --> 00:06:08,279 speech but also he was a member of 116 00:06:14,299 --> 00:06:11,309 Robert Bigelow's national institute for 117 00:06:16,100 --> 00:06:14,309 discovery sites or needs advice science 118 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:16,110 advisory board when that that 119 00:06:20,420 --> 00:06:17,969 organization was still operational 120 00:06:23,799 --> 00:06:20,430 so he's been he's been a player with 121 00:06:27,499 --> 00:06:23,809 these guys for quite some time and also 122 00:06:30,110 --> 00:06:27,509 it's the very same John L Peterson that 123 00:06:32,089 --> 00:06:30,120 was involved in the Grier meeting with 124 00:06:34,459 --> 00:06:32,099 james Woolsey another meaning that Grier 125 00:06:36,790 --> 00:06:34,469 had back in the 90s that no one denies 126 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:36,800 happened but there has been obviously 127 00:06:42,409 --> 00:06:39,930 some discrepancies among the parties in 128 00:06:43,179 --> 00:06:42,419 terms of what actually happened at that 129 00:06:45,529 --> 00:06:43,189 meeting 130 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:45,539 Peterson signs off and that says 131 00:06:48,559 --> 00:06:46,889 basically that yeah they were just 132 00:06:50,629 --> 00:06:48,569 humoring greer and they weren't 133 00:06:54,170 --> 00:06:50,639 particularly interested he was rambling 134 00:06:56,659 --> 00:06:54,180 on about UFOs but you know yeah we just 135 00:06:58,159 --> 00:06:56,669 humored the guy now I've heard yeah 136 00:07:00,469 --> 00:06:58,169 we've had that Joseph Burke's here on 137 00:07:02,329 --> 00:07:00,479 the show he said that he was involved in 138 00:07:06,019 --> 00:07:02,339 setting this up as well as Peterson and 139 00:07:07,820 --> 00:07:06,029 that the the truth actually leaves a 140 00:07:09,439 --> 00:07:07,830 little bit closer to Greer that they did 141 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:09,449 express a little bit more interest and 142 00:07:15,469 --> 00:07:13,050 this particular incident is one that you 143 00:07:17,570 --> 00:07:15,479 know it keeps it keeps my mind open into 144 00:07:20,749 --> 00:07:17,580 the possibility that something did 145 00:07:23,209 --> 00:07:20,759 happen after this initial Wilson Greer 146 00:07:25,850 --> 00:07:23,219 meeting back in the 90s also involving 147 00:07:27,769 --> 00:07:25,860 Edgar Mitchell Willard Miller as we've 148 00:07:30,529 --> 00:07:27,779 we've talked to him about all this and 149 00:07:32,860 --> 00:07:30,539 some others as well so I'm pretty 150 00:07:36,140 --> 00:07:32,870 open-minded that something happened as a 151 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:36,150 result of this Wilson Greer me 152 00:07:41,690 --> 00:07:38,730 just that these documents should not be 153 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:41,700 taken at face value okay and what they 154 00:07:47,690 --> 00:07:44,730 they certainly shouldn't be done is be 155 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:47,700 described as the leak of the century 156 00:07:53,570 --> 00:07:51,330 when there's really there's no evidence 157 00:07:57,380 --> 00:07:53,580 to suggest that these notes are 158 00:08:00,950 --> 00:07:57,390 legitimate there really isn't any now 159 00:08:02,630 --> 00:08:00,960 okay yeah jump on in chat I was just 160 00:08:05,630 --> 00:08:02,640 gonna say something that I always tell 161 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:05,640 people and that is that not a single 162 00:08:11,930 --> 00:08:08,570 person to date has brought forth a 163 00:08:14,270 --> 00:08:11,940 single shred of forensic evidence or 164 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:14,280 analysis or proof that would withstand 165 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:16,770 the rigors rigorous standards required 166 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:18,690 in the spirit of science to prove these 167 00:08:23,180 --> 00:08:21,450 conspiracies as being real I say 168 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:23,190 conspiracies plural because I also 169 00:08:28,150 --> 00:08:25,770 include the Bigelow memo in that but yes 170 00:08:31,340 --> 00:08:28,160 of course Wilson Davis leak is 171 00:08:34,690 --> 00:08:31,350 absolutely a conspiracy and regardless 172 00:08:38,510 --> 00:08:34,700 of what put a Hopf said it does not 173 00:08:42,170 --> 00:08:38,520 authenticate that alleged document as it 174 00:08:46,370 --> 00:08:42,180 stands in its entirety no in no way 175 00:08:50,510 --> 00:08:46,380 shape or form and even even put off 176 00:08:51,860 --> 00:08:50,520 statement if you give it you sort of run 177 00:08:54,070 --> 00:08:51,870 with it and accept the fact that he's 178 00:08:57,140 --> 00:08:54,080 confirming that that Davis did in fact 179 00:08:59,420 --> 00:08:57,150 speak directly to Wilson it doesn't say 180 00:09:00,830 --> 00:08:59,430 anything beyond that that doesn't 181 00:09:03,170 --> 00:09:00,840 confirm that that they met in the 182 00:09:06,350 --> 00:09:03,180 parking lot at the EG&G building in Las 183 00:09:08,870 --> 00:09:06,360 Vegas no no does it confirm that Wilson 184 00:09:12,530 --> 00:09:08,880 was in Las Vegas on that date I believe 185 00:09:15,470 --> 00:09:12,540 it was in October 2004 I don't have the 186 00:09:17,180 --> 00:09:15,480 notes in front of me not they've not 187 00:09:19,460 --> 00:09:17,190 even that they've not placed the Wilson 188 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:19,470 in town on that particular date and for 189 00:09:22,790 --> 00:09:21,330 those documents to be legitimate you've 190 00:09:26,990 --> 00:09:22,800 got to do that yeah you've got to do 191 00:09:29,180 --> 00:09:27,000 that and they failed to do that now we 192 00:09:31,460 --> 00:09:29,190 were ready to go with it go with this 193 00:09:36,590 --> 00:09:31,470 story pretty much as is from a couple 194 00:09:38,750 --> 00:09:36,600 days back but yesterday Richard mr. leak 195 00:09:41,780 --> 00:09:38,760 of the century Dolan followed up with 196 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:41,790 put off and asked put off for his 197 00:09:47,300 --> 00:09:43,970 comment about his earlier comment and 198 00:09:49,430 --> 00:09:47,310 essentially what put off said was he 199 00:09:51,770 --> 00:09:49,440 didn't confirm anything regard 200 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:51,780 any kind of contact between Davis and 201 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:53,850 Wilson all he was basically doing is 202 00:10:01,360 --> 00:09:56,250 sort of a repeating the question as he 203 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:01,370 got it and his only comment of any 204 00:10:06,140 --> 00:10:04,050 importance was because it involves 205 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:06,150 potentially ongoing programs I have no 206 00:10:10,100 --> 00:10:08,490 comment and of course Dolan's initial 207 00:10:12,620 --> 00:10:10,110 reaction was his immediate reaction was 208 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:12,630 he didn't believe put off so it's a very 209 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:15,930 convenient how you don't believe someone 210 00:10:19,430 --> 00:10:17,850 when they say something that doesn't fit 211 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:19,440 into the story that you want to tell 212 00:10:23,870 --> 00:10:22,170 which makes it an agenda there you go 213 00:10:27,110 --> 00:10:23,880 that's exactly what it makes it isn't it 214 00:10:29,330 --> 00:10:27,120 you know these conspiracies that 215 00:10:32,420 --> 00:10:29,340 surfaced last year being the Bigelow 216 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:32,430 memo and the Wilson Davis talk or Doc's 217 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:34,650 rather and I say dachshund quotes 218 00:10:40,820 --> 00:10:37,410 because they're not really Ducks okay 219 00:10:43,460 --> 00:10:40,830 but it's at this point it's a matter of 220 00:10:46,850 --> 00:10:43,470 faith that we have to take them as being 221 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:46,860 real and that is not good enough we have 222 00:10:54,050 --> 00:10:51,290 to have more data to corroborate 223 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:54,060 forensic ly that these are real not a 224 00:11:00,860 --> 00:10:57,170 provenance of cloak and dagger stories 225 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:00,870 that you know shouted at the top of 226 00:11:05,660 --> 00:11:03,510 mountains in order to make us believe 227 00:11:08,420 --> 00:11:05,670 something I don't believe something like 228 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:08,430 a document in a faith-based manner I 229 00:11:14,060 --> 00:11:10,770 have to have I have to separate fact 230 00:11:17,830 --> 00:11:14,070 from fantasy and so the only way to do 231 00:11:21,650 --> 00:11:17,840 that is to do research on there 232 00:11:25,250 --> 00:11:21,660 rigorously for months and came to the 233 00:11:26,650 --> 00:11:25,260 conclusion with you that there's 234 00:11:29,020 --> 00:11:26,660 absolutely 235 00:11:31,610 --> 00:11:29,030 there's no authenticity to them 236 00:11:34,430 --> 00:11:31,620 whatsoever as they stand in their 237 00:11:37,130 --> 00:11:34,440 entirety yeah and I mean is it possible 238 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:37,140 but it seems is it possible that some of 239 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:39,810 this material might prove out that Davis 240 00:11:46,850 --> 00:11:43,890 did have a contact with Wilson and and 241 00:11:48,410 --> 00:11:46,860 even taking it a step further that some 242 00:11:50,510 --> 00:11:48,420 of the the things that Wilson is 243 00:11:53,870 --> 00:11:50,520 purported to have told Davis in the doc 244 00:11:56,180 --> 00:11:53,880 might prove out yeah it's possible but 245 00:11:58,579 --> 00:11:56,190 nobody's you know nobody's digging in 246 00:12:00,800 --> 00:11:58,589 nobody's demonstrating that really any 247 00:12:02,900 --> 00:12:00,810 of it is anything other than a fiction 248 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:02,910 now the only thing we know for sure 249 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:05,250 is that in fact yet greer and edgar 250 00:12:09,230 --> 00:12:07,050 mitchell did go in they did meet with 251 00:12:12,170 --> 00:12:09,240 Wilson wool Miller was there that's 252 00:12:14,390 --> 00:12:12,180 really about all we know for sure and 253 00:12:16,970 --> 00:12:14,400 obviously we've got to on the direct on 254 00:12:19,610 --> 00:12:16,980 the record denials from Wilson to Billy 255 00:12:22,180 --> 00:12:19,620 Cox way back in the day and also where 256 00:12:24,860 --> 00:12:22,190 we received obviously denials from 257 00:12:27,590 --> 00:12:24,870 commander Miller you know I got to be 258 00:12:29,660 --> 00:12:27,600 honest looking at that looking at that 259 00:12:31,820 --> 00:12:29,670 John Peterson letter is it possible 260 00:12:33,950 --> 00:12:31,830 though I necessarily believe will 261 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:33,960 Miller's denials that anything happened 262 00:12:39,020 --> 00:12:36,810 after the fact no no I don't but what I 263 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:39,030 do believe is commander Miller's our 264 00:12:43,100 --> 00:12:41,010 comments about how that letter to Eric 265 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:43,110 Davis was manipulated yeah that part I 266 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:45,450 believe as far as the questions he 267 00:12:50,090 --> 00:12:47,330 purportedly asked 268 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:50,100 Admiral Wilson to ask these contractors 269 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:53,250 about these old cases do I believe that 270 00:12:57,530 --> 00:12:55,170 that he didn't ask those questions that 271 00:13:00,020 --> 00:12:57,540 he doesn't care about those cases in 272 00:13:03,020 --> 00:13:00,030 particular the Socorro case yeah I 273 00:13:06,410 --> 00:13:03,030 believe him when he says that so there I 274 00:13:09,050 --> 00:13:06,420 think we have proven really that this 275 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:09,060 document does Admiral Wilson notes and 276 00:13:17,690 --> 00:13:15,690 also the Bigelow kid green alien autopsy 277 00:13:19,940 --> 00:13:17,700 email chain memo whenever you want to 278 00:13:23,090 --> 00:13:19,950 call it that they have both been 279 00:13:25,910 --> 00:13:23,100 seriously manipulated and as a result of 280 00:13:28,490 --> 00:13:25,920 all that you have really got to dig in 281 00:13:33,020 --> 00:13:28,500 and pin down things as well as you 282 00:13:36,740 --> 00:13:33,030 possibly can and sir before you accept 283 00:13:38,690 --> 00:13:36,750 these as legitimate documents and I mean 284 00:13:40,610 --> 00:13:38,700 that that's about where it is right now 285 00:13:42,290 --> 00:13:40,620 I mean I can't imagine if somebody calls 286 00:13:43,970 --> 00:13:42,300 himself in this story and I think well 287 00:13:45,710 --> 00:13:43,980 would Douglas Brinkley be doing 288 00:13:48,050 --> 00:13:45,720 something like that if similar documents 289 00:13:51,740 --> 00:13:48,060 were found about oh I don't know you 290 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:51,750 know Richard Nixon or you know Dwight 291 00:13:55,850 --> 00:13:54,090 Eisenhower or Winston Churchill whatever 292 00:13:57,380 --> 00:13:55,860 the case may be do you think Doris 293 00:13:59,240 --> 00:13:57,390 Kearns Goodwin would be doing something 294 00:14:02,150 --> 00:13:59,250 like the saying this is the smoking gun 295 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:02,160 we proven that Lincoln did this or that 296 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:04,890 or the other thing or David McCullough 297 00:14:08,150 --> 00:14:06,570 you know do you think that those are 298 00:14:10,060 --> 00:14:08,160 historians and do you think those people 299 00:14:12,410 --> 00:14:10,070 will be running around calling a 300 00:14:15,350 --> 00:14:12,420 document like this with its lack of 301 00:14:16,190 --> 00:14:15,360 Providence and so many holes poked in 302 00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:16,200 you you think they'd be 303 00:14:19,910 --> 00:14:18,000 this the leak of the century I don't 304 00:14:23,210 --> 00:14:19,920 think they would write and that's also 305 00:14:27,650 --> 00:14:23,220 why they call you follow G the well well 306 00:14:29,810 --> 00:14:27,660 West because they accept anything as The 307 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:29,820 Smoking Gun and the cherry on top of the 308 00:14:37,550 --> 00:14:32,730 sundae regarding something being called 309 00:14:39,220 --> 00:14:37,560 proof or evidence and a lot of people 310 00:14:43,130 --> 00:14:39,230 just make this [\h__\h] up as they go along 311 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:43,140 the this is the thing there is no 312 00:14:50,060 --> 00:14:46,170 clincher to any of these alleged docs 313 00:14:52,820 --> 00:14:50,070 that makes them any more authentic than 314 00:14:56,690 --> 00:14:52,830 they're not so there's really nothing 315 00:14:58,910 --> 00:14:56,700 authentic about them to me again 316 00:15:00,890 --> 00:14:58,920 there's no evidence to support any 317 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:00,900 claims being made about these alleged 318 00:15:08,420 --> 00:15:04,770 docs facts cannot be refuted claims can 319 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:08,430 and until somebody comes up with 320 00:15:14,900 --> 00:15:12,410 something that is irrefutable it these 321 00:15:19,580 --> 00:15:14,910 conspiracies will always remain in the 322 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:19,590 unverified file for me and for many many 323 00:15:26,510 --> 00:15:23,730 others who are needing the kind of 324 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:26,520 evidence and proof and that withstands 325 00:15:31,790 --> 00:15:28,530 the test of time regarding these these 326 00:15:33,740 --> 00:15:31,800 alleged docs yeah and you know I again I 327 00:15:36,530 --> 00:15:33,750 hold out the possibility that there 328 00:15:38,660 --> 00:15:36,540 might be some legitimacy to them but 329 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:38,670 they've been manipulated brain's got to 330 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:41,690 be very difficult to dig in now we know 331 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:44,370 the government has been involved and 332 00:15:50,870 --> 00:15:47,010 knows something and has done work on 333 00:15:52,430 --> 00:15:50,880 UFOs back to 1947 right up until today I 334 00:15:55,700 --> 00:15:52,440 mean we're seeing that in the news today 335 00:15:58,340 --> 00:15:55,710 so during this timeframe this late 90s 336 00:15:59,840 --> 00:15:58,350 into the early 2000s timeframe something 337 00:16:01,460 --> 00:15:59,850 was going on there's no question about 338 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:01,470 it and we don't really have a good idea 339 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:02,250 what that is 340 00:16:07,460 --> 00:16:04,890 and there's always a possibility that 341 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:07,470 these documents may provide a lead some 342 00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:09,090 interesting names were dropped in there 343 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:12,720 like General Mike Castel mcc's who I 344 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:15,930 understand went off and took the 345 00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:18,330 revolving door out of the military and 346 00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:21,360 went over and started working for one of 347 00:16:26,450 --> 00:16:23,910 the major defense contractors you know 348 00:16:28,550 --> 00:16:26,460 we don't know but more work needs to be 349 00:16:29,630 --> 00:16:28,560 done before that you claim that these 350 00:16:31,490 --> 00:16:29,640 documents are 351 00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:31,500 legitimate documents that you can sort 352 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:33,360 of take to the bank it might provide 353 00:16:39,620 --> 00:16:35,490 some good leads it may very well provide 354 00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:39,630 some good leads but beyond that you know 355 00:16:44,510 --> 00:16:42,720 don't don't believe everything you read 356 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:44,520 on the Internet so there you go and 357 00:16:50,420 --> 00:16:46,050 that's all I got on that chin you got 358 00:16:53,660 --> 00:16:50,430 anything I just think that the UFO 359 00:16:56,740 --> 00:16:53,670 community deserves better and what I 360 00:16:59,720 --> 00:16:56,750 mean by that is instead of shoving 361 00:17:02,780 --> 00:16:59,730 conspiracy Laden stories at us with 362 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:02,790 these cloak-and-dagger backgrounds that 363 00:17:07,790 --> 00:17:04,650 you know are really great for the movies 364 00:17:10,790 --> 00:17:07,800 but in reality really don't stand the 365 00:17:13,250 --> 00:17:10,800 test of time regarding scrutiny research 366 00:17:15,550 --> 00:17:13,260 and when doing their due diligence as 367 00:17:19,310 --> 00:17:15,560 far as fact-checking these conspiracies 368 00:17:21,650 --> 00:17:19,320 there's it damages the UFO committee 369 00:17:24,110 --> 00:17:21,660 it's like all these black eyes that they 370 00:17:26,750 --> 00:17:24,120 have to deal with the the UFO community 371 00:17:30,380 --> 00:17:26,760 has so much speculation it's rife with 372 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:30,390 speculation and fairytales and this is 373 00:17:37,550 --> 00:17:33,570 one reason why people have an issue with 374 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:37,560 the UFO community of not all the time 375 00:17:42,820 --> 00:17:41,010 but when things like this surface where 376 00:17:45,530 --> 00:17:42,830 they're dropped like grenades on reddit 377 00:17:48,830 --> 00:17:45,540 and then people just take them at face 378 00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:48,840 value it can really damage the UFO 379 00:17:54,020 --> 00:17:52,080 community and as you can see people 380 00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:54,030 still believe to this day they just 381 00:17:58,130 --> 00:17:55,710 believe them at face value without ever 382 00:17:59,960 --> 00:17:58,140 questioning them one time I think the 383 00:18:02,000 --> 00:17:59,970 thing that I'm really tired of our 384 00:18:05,060 --> 00:18:02,010 people just assuming something is right 385 00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:05,070 and falling down the rabbit hole without 386 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:06,960 ever bothering one time to lift their 387 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:08,730 finger to do some research on stuff like 388 00:18:13,030 --> 00:18:10,050 this there you go 389 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:13,040 okay and now we're ready to move on to 390 00:18:21,710 --> 00:18:18,090 topic number two now on to our next 391 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:21,720 subject to the TTS a Serpa hoax 392 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:25,890 connection now our friend Adi Prasad was 393 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:29,330 a spelunking down the serpo org website 394 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:33,050 recently and he turned up some material 395 00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:38,970 that connects what has been sitting out 396 00:18:45,090 --> 00:18:42,310 for years on the serpo website 397 00:18:48,210 --> 00:18:45,100 with things that T TSA has either been 398 00:18:52,140 --> 00:18:48,220 saying or naming their own projects 399 00:18:55,290 --> 00:18:52,150 after he took his fines he posted them 400 00:18:58,680 --> 00:18:55,300 over on reddit and basically his 401 00:19:00,440 --> 00:18:58,690 analysis was sort of at the bottom of 402 00:19:02,670 --> 00:19:00,450 his post of course he's linked and 403 00:19:06,540 --> 00:19:02,680 documented everything that he put out 404 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:06,550 there earlier on but basically I'm going 405 00:19:13,050 --> 00:19:09,450 to start with his conclusions is 406 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:13,060 basically overlap on the current pattern 407 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:14,770 rising from all of this I think it 408 00:19:20,010 --> 00:19:17,170 leaves leaves us with two possibilities 409 00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:20,020 but there are likely more number one TTS 410 00:19:23,670 --> 00:19:21,760 a is a real-life version of serpo being 411 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:23,680 played out number two 412 00:19:29,460 --> 00:19:26,530 TTS a has access to the Roswell craft to 413 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:29,470 know exactly what the LM H part and 414 00:19:35,730 --> 00:19:32,890 other samples do so basically his finds 415 00:19:41,090 --> 00:19:35,740 that came in two essential parts I would 416 00:19:43,410 --> 00:19:41,100 say the first one relates to the bismuth 417 00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:43,420 magnesium fragment that they've been 418 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:45,310 talking about studying for some time 419 00:19:52,410 --> 00:19:47,770 again how put off has been running 420 00:19:56,790 --> 00:19:52,420 around saying quite a bit about how this 421 00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:56,800 is a curious sample and going into a lot 422 00:20:01,560 --> 00:19:58,480 of very technical talk about waveguides 423 00:20:04,020 --> 00:20:01,570 and so on and so forth now he's been 424 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:04,030 doing this for some time so it's not 425 00:20:10,380 --> 00:20:07,330 necessarily shocking the dis particular 426 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:10,390 material would end up over in serpo I 427 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:12,910 think most observers generally agree 428 00:20:17,940 --> 00:20:14,890 that a lot of this material emanates 429 00:20:20,670 --> 00:20:17,950 from Rick Doty one of the question that 430 00:20:23,130 --> 00:20:20,680 our friend at Tom Whitmore asked cut off 431 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:23,140 at this meeting the other the other 432 00:20:28,530 --> 00:20:26,650 weekend in West Virginia was can you 433 00:20:30,570 --> 00:20:28,540 confirm anything about Rick dodi's 434 00:20:32,010 --> 00:20:30,580 working for you put off did said he 435 00:20:34,830 --> 00:20:32,020 thought Doty was a nice guy 436 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:34,840 so the Doty got a hold of this material 437 00:20:41,490 --> 00:20:37,210 a number of years ago is not necessarily 438 00:20:43,710 --> 00:20:41,500 shocking okay now jumping back and 439 00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:43,720 talking about deeps conclusions needless 440 00:20:51,060 --> 00:20:49,600 to say the the the TTS a fanboys really 441 00:20:53,610 --> 00:20:51,070 jumped all over deep and I think 442 00:20:55,230 --> 00:20:53,620 unfairly so you can disagree with his 443 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:55,240 conclusions but what they failed to 444 00:20:57,950 --> 00:20:55,810 recognize 445 00:21:00,420 --> 00:20:57,960 I failed to give him credit for most 446 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:00,430 importantly is that he found these 447 00:21:04,620 --> 00:21:02,710 connections now the second connection I 448 00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,630 think is a much more troublesome forty 449 00:21:08,370 --> 00:21:06,880 TSA and frankly we've sought comment 450 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:08,380 from them about this and have not gotten 451 00:21:16,860 --> 00:21:10,570 any kind of response not surprisingly 452 00:21:18,690 --> 00:21:16,870 but what we have here is is mentioning 453 00:21:22,170 --> 00:21:18,700 under new technologies being developed 454 00:21:24,450 --> 00:21:22,180 at this Nevada Test Site project Adam a 455 00:21:26,460 --> 00:21:24,460 project that uses radiation nuclear 456 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:26,470 energy against alien material to 457 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:28,810 determine how the alien material can 458 00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:31,510 absorb and repel radiation basically 459 00:21:37,050 --> 00:21:33,670 materials type research under the name 460 00:21:39,570 --> 00:21:37,060 project Adam well anybody who's been 461 00:21:42,420 --> 00:21:39,580 following TTS a carefully knows that 462 00:21:44,580 --> 00:21:42,430 they launched last year with a big hub 463 00:21:47,070 --> 00:21:44,590 of it a nice little commercial with lots 464 00:21:51,210 --> 00:21:47,080 of dramatic music and quick cuts showing 465 00:21:53,610 --> 00:21:51,220 them picking up these different alien 466 00:21:56,610 --> 00:21:53,620 samples and of course what did they name 467 00:21:59,220 --> 00:21:56,620 it they named it the atom project now 468 00:22:02,310 --> 00:21:59,230 this is a little bit cheeky in my view 469 00:22:05,670 --> 00:22:02,320 and just a little too cool for school 470 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:05,680 here I think that's all we're seeing III 471 00:22:11,460 --> 00:22:09,310 think all they did was they just were 472 00:22:13,950 --> 00:22:11,470 you know they wanted to play a little 473 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:13,960 inside joke nobody over pick up this 474 00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:17,110 connection and that's all they did here 475 00:22:21,870 --> 00:22:18,640 they just got a little bit too cheeky 476 00:22:24,210 --> 00:22:21,880 but this is a this is a terrible blunder 477 00:22:26,130 --> 00:22:24,220 we went into the wayback machine and we 478 00:22:28,170 --> 00:22:26,140 were able to see that this particular 479 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:28,180 page this particular section of this 480 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:31,450 page it was posted well before well 481 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:33,610 before t TSA was founded and certainly 482 00:22:40,590 --> 00:22:37,570 well before this atom project that they 483 00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:40,600 put together or was named so I don't 484 00:22:43,410 --> 00:22:41,710 believe this is any kind of a 485 00:22:47,310 --> 00:22:43,420 coincidence this was done deliberately 486 00:22:49,980 --> 00:22:47,320 and I think a very very very unwisely 487 00:22:53,130 --> 00:22:49,990 and there are a number of mistakes that 488 00:22:55,650 --> 00:22:53,140 I think T TSA has made that either 489 00:22:58,740 --> 00:22:55,660 deliberately or not so deliberately and 490 00:23:01,470 --> 00:22:58,750 I think there is some deliberateness to 491 00:23:03,690 --> 00:23:01,480 it that they just they're just they're 492 00:23:08,130 --> 00:23:03,700 really really making this amount of some 493 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:08,140 pretty horrible mistakes in terms of for 494 00:23:13,159 --> 00:23:09,610 example the 495 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:13,169 the Chris melon the the Chris melon 496 00:23:18,690 --> 00:23:16,330 presentation when they opened TTS a 497 00:23:21,299 --> 00:23:18,700 showing the photograph of the number one 498 00:23:23,970 --> 00:23:21,309 mylar balloon that was connected to the 499 00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:23,980 the Tic Tac incident and presenting it 500 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:26,169 almost as though it was an actual 501 00:23:35,340 --> 00:23:30,369 photograph the Tom DeLonge showing the 502 00:23:37,799 --> 00:23:35,350 the obviously cgi video of a UFO when he 503 00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:37,809 was on the when he was on the Joe Rogan 504 00:23:42,930 --> 00:23:40,960 show and there's a lot of odd things 505 00:23:45,659 --> 00:23:42,940 going on and a lot of reasons why people 506 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:45,669 should really have their antenna up not 507 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:49,210 just TTS a material necessarily but 508 00:23:53,999 --> 00:23:52,210 other stuff as well you've also got let 509 00:23:56,940 --> 00:23:54,009 me let me add these pictures are going 510 00:24:00,570 --> 00:23:56,950 back to the the very initial days the 511 00:24:01,979 --> 00:24:00,580 very first days that the TTS a announced 512 00:24:03,899 --> 00:24:01,989 that I'm not saying that these 513 00:24:07,379 --> 00:24:03,909 particular incidents I had anything to 514 00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:07,389 do directly with TTS a but right after 515 00:24:12,389 --> 00:24:09,070 that the New York Times story came out 516 00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:12,399 you had Julian Assange tweeting the New 517 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:14,590 York Times fake news apocalypses reached 518 00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:16,210 perfection with a front-page story 519 00:24:22,859 --> 00:24:19,600 claiming UFOs exist no surprise to see 520 00:24:25,259 --> 00:24:22,869 CIA parapsychology Scientology frauds 521 00:24:27,090 --> 00:24:25,269 like Harold E put off involved in the 522 00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:27,100 most basic journalistic questions 523 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:31,840 unasked so those comments seem to parrot 524 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:34,450 a lot of what ron Pandolfi was saying be 525 00:24:40,379 --> 00:24:37,690 in the time between the TTS a kickoff in 526 00:24:42,779 --> 00:24:40,389 the New York Times story okay then you 527 00:24:45,149 --> 00:24:42,789 had and let me yeah let me add these 528 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:45,159 pictures I had them unfortunately in the 529 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:47,049 wrong folder so let me do this and had 530 00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,450 these pictures as well a lot of strange 531 00:24:56,639 --> 00:24:52,320 things just seemed to continually happen 532 00:24:59,279 --> 00:24:56,649 regarding T TSA and other folks that 533 00:25:05,399 --> 00:24:59,289 we're sort of in the field now let's see 534 00:25:20,550 --> 00:25:05,409 here I'm okay let me go here and this is 535 00:25:34,130 --> 00:25:25,420 hmm having some technical difficulties 536 00:25:41,090 --> 00:25:36,110 yeah go ahead Chan if you want to jump 537 00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:41,100 in and help me out here I can um sure 538 00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,720 I'll just go ahead part of deeps 539 00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:48,000 conclusion I'm gonna go ahead and read 540 00:25:55,460 --> 00:25:53,279 it says one TTS a is a real-life version 541 00:25:57,529 --> 00:25:55,470 a project serpo being played out we are 542 00:25:59,870 --> 00:25:57,539 all being had and neighbor represent 543 00:26:01,880 --> 00:25:59,880 Phase two of a very complex hoax 544 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:01,890 orchestrated by physicists and Intel 545 00:26:05,899 --> 00:26:03,690 folks with nothing better to do with 546 00:26:07,549 --> 00:26:05,909 some nefarious intent pertaining to 547 00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:07,559 perception management of entire 548 00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,320 population and populations and cultures 549 00:26:16,610 --> 00:26:13,200 to tea tsa has access to the Roswell 550 00:26:18,740 --> 00:26:16,620 craft and know exactly what the lmh part 551 00:26:20,090 --> 00:26:18,750 and other samples do and we'll prove it 552 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:20,100 one day by connecting the dots together 553 00:26:25,460 --> 00:26:23,730 out in the open both possibilities are 554 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:25,470 equally disturbing in my opinion because 555 00:26:29,570 --> 00:26:26,970 we were being taken along for a ride 556 00:26:31,580 --> 00:26:29,580 either way and I just want to let 557 00:26:33,740 --> 00:26:31,590 everybody know regarding a technical 558 00:26:38,539 --> 00:26:33,750 thing LMH stands for Linda Moulton Howe 559 00:26:41,330 --> 00:26:38,549 I reached out to Ryan on this topic 560 00:26:43,250 --> 00:26:41,340 because bill Ryan was the individual who 561 00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:43,260 actually created the project servo 562 00:26:54,860 --> 00:26:48,720 worksite and I asked him what did he 563 00:26:59,210 --> 00:26:54,870 think about this this opinion that deep 564 00:27:03,379 --> 00:26:59,220 has and he he went over everything that 565 00:27:06,289 --> 00:27:03,389 deep wrote very carefully and he felt in 566 00:27:08,659 --> 00:27:06,299 part that he grabbed on to a tiny part 567 00:27:10,370 --> 00:27:08,669 of this big picture and is making a big 568 00:27:14,180 --> 00:27:10,380 deal out of all the wrong issues that 569 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:14,190 was a quote by bill and I do have to get 570 00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:17,490 his permission to to be able to say a 571 00:27:20,779 --> 00:27:19,049 few other things that he had to say 572 00:27:22,990 --> 00:27:20,789 about that which I will actually say in 573 00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,000 another podcast if he gives permission 574 00:27:29,810 --> 00:27:25,760 this is where Frank and I actually 575 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:29,820 disagree I don't find anything of import 576 00:27:35,450 --> 00:27:32,490 regarding what deep said at all 577 00:27:38,210 --> 00:27:35,460 regarding the conclusion I just read I 578 00:27:41,539 --> 00:27:38,220 did want to mention let's just say in 579 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:41,549 theory for example without Tom DeLonge 580 00:27:47,380 --> 00:27:44,970 in a wide-eyed state of mind actually 581 00:27:53,150 --> 00:27:47,390 absorbed the project sir Poe 582 00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:53,160 conspiracy as true as it as it stands or 583 00:28:01,610 --> 00:27:56,100 was affected or impressed by it in some 584 00:28:06,169 --> 00:28:01,620 one way or another and he decided to go 585 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:06,179 ahead and in a sentimental manner name a 586 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:08,850 few projects or tell folks to name a few 587 00:28:15,770 --> 00:28:12,570 projects in TTS a the same manner as 588 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:15,780 Project serpo or parallel or mirror some 589 00:28:21,470 --> 00:28:17,850 of the activities of project servo or 590 00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:21,480 data that to me does not mean anything 591 00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:25,289 at all because you can take any kind of 592 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:28,980 data from any subject and correlate it 593 00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:31,650 with another topic if you really wanted 594 00:28:36,860 --> 00:28:34,799 to especially with the name Delta which 595 00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:36,870 is I think what a Greek letter and that 596 00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:40,020 is used often in military nomenclature 597 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:43,110 it's also used often regarding many 598 00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:44,850 other topics out there 599 00:28:50,570 --> 00:28:49,049 Delta's very often used freely the 600 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:50,580 hundreds of thousands of times 601 00:28:57,340 --> 00:28:54,210 so is Adam a biblical reference also an 602 00:29:02,950 --> 00:28:57,350 iconic name you can find that anywhere 603 00:29:05,060 --> 00:29:02,960 with many many topics so I actually 604 00:29:08,270 --> 00:29:05,070 completely disagree with Frank on this 605 00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:08,280 but please okay yeah yeah I had to move 606 00:29:12,919 --> 00:29:10,500 and a couple of images in the wrong file 607 00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:12,929 but that going back initially in that 608 00:29:18,350 --> 00:29:16,049 time frame the very early days you also 609 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:18,360 saw some of these doors that have been 610 00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:22,890 released and you saw the literally the 611 00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:26,880 next day at Corey goods website he posts 612 00:29:34,580 --> 00:29:32,940 one of these dirts related to well one 613 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:34,590 of the dirts one of the ones are written 614 00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:36,809 by Eric Davis I think it was related to 615 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:39,600 wormholes as I recall correctly I've got 616 00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:41,850 the the the image cut off but anyway how 617 00:29:45,860 --> 00:29:43,620 does Corey Goode get hold of this the 618 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:45,870 day after the New York Times article 619 00:29:49,940 --> 00:29:47,730 comes out somebody's guy got hold of 620 00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:49,950 this stuff and they're they're playing 621 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:51,360 games they're giving it to somebody like 622 00:29:55,509 --> 00:29:53,330 Corey Goode ooh 623 00:29:57,369 --> 00:29:55,519 talks about what he taught at much 624 00:29:59,529 --> 00:29:57,379 attention to what he says but you know 625 00:30:01,419 --> 00:29:59,539 he's a really a Fanta cyst he's not 626 00:30:03,460 --> 00:30:01,429 brought in anything to the table yet he 627 00:30:05,529 --> 00:30:03,470 gets this handed to him that's something 628 00:30:07,869 --> 00:30:05,539 that's very very weird and again I do 629 00:30:11,049 --> 00:30:07,879 think that there's something to this to 630 00:30:13,989 --> 00:30:11,059 tts a naming their materials effort the 631 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:13,999 atom the atom project I do think that 632 00:30:17,499 --> 00:30:15,049 there's something that it's not a 633 00:30:20,259 --> 00:30:17,509 coincidence that you know again now 634 00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:20,269 they're being a little too cheeky i I 635 00:30:25,299 --> 00:30:22,820 don't disagree with the or excuse me I 636 00:30:27,399 --> 00:30:25,309 don't agree with deeps conclusions but 637 00:30:29,619 --> 00:30:27,409 but the fact that he came up with this 638 00:30:31,149 --> 00:30:29,629 fine I mean I wish I'd found it I wish I 639 00:30:33,249 --> 00:30:31,159 had seen it and we would have talked 640 00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:33,259 about it here probably in about the same 641 00:30:38,409 --> 00:30:36,559 detail but my conclusion is just they're 642 00:30:39,879 --> 00:30:38,419 just being a little too cheeky there's a 643 00:30:42,340 --> 00:30:39,889 little game playing going on 644 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:42,350 TTS a is involved in it to some extent 645 00:30:47,139 --> 00:30:44,809 some other people are involved in it to 646 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:47,149 an extent as well and let's go to that 647 00:30:51,609 --> 00:30:49,730 like there's the image of Chris melon 648 00:30:54,729 --> 00:30:51,619 along with the number one mylar balloon 649 00:30:58,749 --> 00:30:54,739 from the the fighter sweet story about 650 00:31:00,609 --> 00:30:58,759 the the Nimitz case and then of course 651 00:31:04,810 --> 00:31:00,619 where we got the other image here I 652 00:31:06,999 --> 00:31:04,820 think we've got that well we don't have 653 00:31:09,159 --> 00:31:07,009 the Joe Rogan image but very famously at 654 00:31:13,180 --> 00:31:09,169 the long was on that particular show as 655 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:13,190 well and he was showing Joe Rogan 656 00:31:20,019 --> 00:31:17,090 obviously a CGI animation and they're 657 00:31:22,330 --> 00:31:20,029 claiming it's real and they're not doing 658 00:31:23,769 --> 00:31:22,340 themselves any favors when when they 659 00:31:25,659 --> 00:31:23,779 play these sorts of games they're not 660 00:31:27,580 --> 00:31:25,669 helping themselves at all they've done a 661 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:27,590 lot of good work in the field and I've 662 00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:29,330 said many times on this show the show 663 00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:31,369 wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the the 664 00:31:36,999 --> 00:31:33,470 things that they're doing is it gonna do 665 00:31:38,889 --> 00:31:37,009 really huge harm but you know is Tucker 666 00:31:40,690 --> 00:31:38,899 Carlson going to look into this and say 667 00:31:43,479 --> 00:31:40,700 what the heck's going on here know he's 668 00:31:45,340 --> 00:31:43,489 gonna have UFO guests on maybe once 669 00:31:46,899 --> 00:31:45,350 every couple months they'll talk for 670 00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:46,909 five minutes and then just of it'll be 671 00:31:52,330 --> 00:31:49,279 UFO is a real wow this should be a 672 00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:52,340 bigger story so but amongst us amongst 673 00:31:57,210 --> 00:31:54,049 the folks that follow this sort of thing 674 00:32:00,190 --> 00:31:57,220 carefully yeah this is the sort of thing 675 00:32:02,019 --> 00:32:00,200 it needs to be cleaned up it absolutely 676 00:32:05,710 --> 00:32:02,029 needs to be cleaned up not all of it is 677 00:32:06,790 --> 00:32:05,720 T TSA remember during the fifth episode 678 00:32:08,590 --> 00:32:06,800 of their show 679 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:08,600 they spent an entire segment sort of 680 00:32:13,930 --> 00:32:12,410 thrashing Rick Doty and but they they 681 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:13,940 oughta they ought to follow their own 682 00:32:18,550 --> 00:32:15,770 advice a little bit more carefully and 683 00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:18,560 and their clean things up because this 684 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:21,110 was a mistake that was made a little 685 00:32:25,270 --> 00:32:22,850 over a year ago with this naming of the 686 00:32:27,670 --> 00:32:25,280 atom project and it just wasn't 687 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:27,680 discovered until recently by D Prasad 688 00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:29,930 and deep deserves a lot of credit for 689 00:32:35,710 --> 00:32:32,510 going forward with it again the 690 00:32:39,340 --> 00:32:35,720 criticism was really directed too much 691 00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:39,350 towards his analysis of what he found 692 00:32:43,270 --> 00:32:41,270 and not enough on what he found because 693 00:32:45,910 --> 00:32:43,280 what he found is like I said are really 694 00:32:49,150 --> 00:32:45,920 quite significant at a project adamant 695 00:32:50,860 --> 00:32:49,160 of course no coincidence there yeah atom 696 00:32:53,260 --> 00:32:50,870 and Delta and all those sorts of names 697 00:32:56,590 --> 00:32:53,270 yeah they're used pretty regularly but 698 00:32:59,770 --> 00:32:56,600 here when you see it's related to alien 699 00:33:02,410 --> 00:32:59,780 material same thing no it's not a 700 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:02,420 coincidence and I think it's a big 701 00:33:10,620 --> 00:33:07,210 mistake I were to go into some 702 00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:10,630 top-secret files or or maybe even 703 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:14,480 unclassified files non classified files 704 00:33:20,020 --> 00:33:17,690 of the US government's or any any other 705 00:33:23,140 --> 00:33:20,030 government for that matter that have 706 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:23,150 projects on a regular I would probably 707 00:33:30,730 --> 00:33:27,010 find a project Delta and a project atom 708 00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:30,740 but but I'm just saying that idea that 709 00:33:36,490 --> 00:33:33,440 the possibility of that is gonna be is 710 00:33:38,380 --> 00:33:36,500 gonna be there now the last thing is I 711 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:38,390 know I probably said this but I really 712 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:41,930 don't see everything that deep went over 713 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:46,970 in that opinion daddy wrote equals that 714 00:33:53,140 --> 00:33:50,330 TTS a is an evil organization about 715 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:53,150 fairies organization i I think that 716 00:33:58,510 --> 00:33:55,460 that's weighing too heavily on a narrow 717 00:34:01,780 --> 00:33:58,520 topic and giving T TSA too much credit 718 00:34:03,850 --> 00:34:01,790 regarding a very very tiny topic it's 719 00:34:07,210 --> 00:34:03,860 it's not necessarily tiny it's just a 720 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:07,220 very narrow topic wanted to let folks 721 00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:09,890 know a little bit about T TSA it's an 722 00:34:14,110 --> 00:34:12,470 entertainment company which is also it's 723 00:34:18,460 --> 00:34:14,120 a public benefits corporation in 724 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:18,470 franchise but I'm gonna read something 725 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:20,690 from T TSA 726 00:34:25,740 --> 00:34:24,169 here's a quote from TTS a examples of 727 00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,750 our approach to a vertically integrated 728 00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:27,440 aerospace science and entertainment 729 00:34:32,889 --> 00:34:30,399 consortium are our award-winning 730 00:34:35,319 --> 00:34:32,899 franchises secret machines and poet 731 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:35,329 Andersen that are number one new 732 00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:40,490 releases in their categories on cop 733 00:34:46,990 --> 00:34:45,260 secret ain't on well-documented events 734 00:34:48,779 --> 00:34:47,000 behind unidentified aerial phenomenon 735 00:34:51,730 --> 00:34:48,789 with input from top government 736 00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:51,740 scientists she is an example of how real 737 00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:53,569 research can generate media content and 738 00:35:03,220 --> 00:34:59,440 it goes on to say more and that is 739 00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:03,230 whenever possible here I'll go ahead and 740 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:07,280 give a quote TTS a aims to push the 741 00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:09,770 boundaries of what standard academia 742 00:35:14,319 --> 00:35:12,049 corporate and government labs typically 743 00:35:17,980 --> 00:35:14,329 support but we don't believe discovery 744 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:17,990 that impacts humankind should be solo a 745 00:35:21,730 --> 00:35:20,210 solo venture the company will provide 746 00:35:24,670 --> 00:35:21,740 positive support for government 747 00:35:26,589 --> 00:35:24,680 aerospace industry and academia in the 748 00:35:28,930 --> 00:35:26,599 accomplishment of our goals whenever 749 00:35:31,059 --> 00:35:28,940 possible ever possible we will translate 750 00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:31,069 what we know into an entertainment 751 00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:34,880 medium that we can responsibly share not 752 00:35:38,980 --> 00:35:36,680 only with our customers but our 753 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:38,990 community both through our community of 754 00:35:42,970 --> 00:35:40,970 interests and through our entertainment 755 00:35:45,220 --> 00:35:42,980 media that's why we decided to be a 756 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:45,230 public benefit corporation now as you 757 00:35:49,299 --> 00:35:47,690 can see they're sort of trying to have 758 00:35:52,569 --> 00:35:49,309 their cake and eat it too and what 759 00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:52,579 respect they they want to be considered 760 00:35:57,789 --> 00:35:55,270 an organization that is seriously 761 00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:57,799 researching the topic of you ApS but 762 00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:58,970 they also want to be considered an 763 00:36:04,809 --> 00:36:02,000 entertainment corporation also an 764 00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:04,819 entertainment company so I just want to 765 00:36:09,309 --> 00:36:07,369 make it real clear to folks that if 766 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:09,319 you're expecting a lot from an 767 00:36:14,799 --> 00:36:12,680 entertainment company understand that's 768 00:36:17,380 --> 00:36:14,809 what they are that's what they say in 769 00:36:21,370 --> 00:36:17,390 the IRS if you look up their financial 770 00:36:23,549 --> 00:36:21,380 information that's listed on the IRS 771 00:36:25,539 --> 00:36:23,559 website it says all that right there 772 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:25,549 that's interesting that you bring that 773 00:36:30,370 --> 00:36:28,130 up because what I think is going on here 774 00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:30,380 is you've got a lot of spooks and a lot 775 00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:32,720 of Intel people including folks who work 776 00:36:35,830 --> 00:36:34,280 for TTS a well 777 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:35,840 we're sort of looking to entertain 778 00:36:42,130 --> 00:36:39,530 themselves and with these little inside 779 00:36:45,130 --> 00:36:42,140 jokes like the atom project and getting 780 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:45,140 Julianne sighs to tweet criticism of 781 00:36:51,310 --> 00:36:49,010 them and leaking a scientific papers to 782 00:36:53,770 --> 00:36:51,320 Cori good of all people what that what 783 00:36:56,260 --> 00:36:53,780 you're seeing is a lot of people just as 784 00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:56,270 a insider sort of playing games and 785 00:36:59,920 --> 00:36:58,370 tweaking each other I think there was a 786 00:37:02,590 --> 00:36:59,930 little bit of that going on in the other 787 00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,600 Wilson notes as well some little some 788 00:37:06,670 --> 00:37:04,400 little tweaks and some little digs and 789 00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:06,680 different people sort of trolling each 790 00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:08,510 other again I'm not suggesting that T 791 00:37:13,060 --> 00:37:10,310 TSA is involved in every one of these 792 00:37:15,610 --> 00:37:13,070 but what I am suggesting is there's a 793 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:15,620 lot of that going on and as a result of 794 00:37:20,830 --> 00:37:18,010 that that people really should have 795 00:37:24,190 --> 00:37:20,840 their antenna up they really should be 796 00:37:27,820 --> 00:37:24,200 extra skeptical of everything we see in 797 00:37:29,290 --> 00:37:27,830 here so that's my point and I I'm done 798 00:37:30,580 --> 00:37:29,300 with this topic you have anything else 799 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:30,590 you want to add before we wrap this one 800 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:30,770 up 801 00:37:36,610 --> 00:37:34,250 I think skeptic skepticism is key but 802 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:36,620 creating a whole new conspiracy out of 803 00:37:47,370 --> 00:37:43,570 something is probably not a good idea I 804 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:47,380 had I had a lot of problems with this 805 00:37:52,180 --> 00:37:50,450 opinion that was written I did reach out 806 00:37:56,410 --> 00:37:52,190 to deep and asked him if he wanted to 807 00:37:57,550 --> 00:37:56,420 comment on it he did not however I will 808 00:37:59,410 --> 00:37:57,560 be covering it more in the future 809 00:38:03,190 --> 00:37:59,420 because there's more research that I'm 810 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:03,200 doing on this topic and did want to 811 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:05,210 mention that I did reach out to the 812 00:38:11,170 --> 00:38:09,170 person who created this website and he 813 00:38:13,180 --> 00:38:11,180 did a quick check himself I did the same 814 00:38:15,550 --> 00:38:13,190 check also but I wanted him to duplicate 815 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:15,560 my efforts and find out on his side bill 816 00:38:23,140 --> 00:38:18,170 Ryan that is whether it looked like 817 00:38:26,110 --> 00:38:23,150 Project serpo org had had any new data 818 00:38:28,780 --> 00:38:26,120 added to it or had been edited in any 819 00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:28,790 way shape or form around the time T TSA 820 00:38:35,860 --> 00:38:32,510 was created and even though I felt 821 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:35,870 intuitively probably had not been we 822 00:38:40,060 --> 00:38:37,730 were both right because we checked and 823 00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:40,070 for example like the first archive of 824 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:42,350 serpo released number 25 which was in 825 00:38:46,089 --> 00:38:45,290 January 2008 against the current page on 826 00:38:48,729 --> 00:38:46,099 the net 827 00:38:54,219 --> 00:38:48,739 it's a hundred percent identical is what 828 00:38:57,940 --> 00:38:54,229 bill told me and check word count which 829 00:38:59,440 --> 00:38:57,950 was a 1417 words the characters no 830 00:39:01,839 --> 00:38:59,450 spaces was seven thousand five hundred 831 00:39:03,549 --> 00:39:01,849 twenty four the characters with spaces 832 00:39:06,309 --> 00:39:03,559 were I think nine thousand one hundred 833 00:39:09,130 --> 00:39:06,319 ninety seven and Bill Ryan did confirm 834 00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:09,140 nothing was ever changed and you know 835 00:39:14,380 --> 00:39:11,119 it's just important for people to know 836 00:39:17,620 --> 00:39:14,390 that you know uh we're checking 837 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:17,630 everything on this to make sure that we 838 00:39:23,170 --> 00:39:20,210 do our due diligence on this topic yep 839 00:39:25,509 --> 00:39:23,180 and like I say the overarching message 840 00:39:27,549 --> 00:39:25,519 I've got tonight is you know we'll raise 841 00:39:30,130 --> 00:39:27,559 your level of skepticism really just 842 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:30,140 don't accept anything at face value so 843 00:39:37,870 --> 00:39:32,089 we're done with this one and it's off to 844 00:39:41,859 --> 00:39:37,880 topic 3 now on to issue three what we 845 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:41,869 had last week was an article in Popular 846 00:39:48,430 --> 00:39:45,170 Mechanics by Tim McMillan that cleared 847 00:39:51,789 --> 00:39:48,440 up a little bit about you know whether 848 00:39:52,539 --> 00:39:51,799 or not the loo Elizondo worked forty TSA 849 00:39:55,299 --> 00:39:52,549 and all that 850 00:39:57,789 --> 00:39:55,309 now Tim McMillan just to give a little 851 00:40:01,959 --> 00:39:57,799 background as a sort of a protege of 852 00:40:03,779 --> 00:40:01,969 John Greenwald so for a year plus both 853 00:40:06,430 --> 00:40:03,789 those guys have been running around 854 00:40:08,709 --> 00:40:06,440 everytime green and Wald would get some 855 00:40:12,579 --> 00:40:08,719 sort of comment from the Defense 856 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:12,589 Department saying that we're providing 857 00:40:17,729 --> 00:40:15,410 some sort of discrepancy in terms of 858 00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:17,739 what T TSA was saying about that what 859 00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:21,049 Elizondo did and what they themselves 860 00:40:25,509 --> 00:40:23,089 the to the Czar's Academy was saying 861 00:40:28,359 --> 00:40:25,519 about what they did they would grow 862 00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:28,369 about it oh look we've we've destroyed t 863 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:31,369 TSA we've damaged them we've we've got 864 00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:33,650 nukes we've destroyed them other their 865 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:36,079 character is shot and so on yet all of a 866 00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:38,210 sudden now we're seeing Tim McMillan and 867 00:40:42,249 --> 00:40:39,529 I asked him about this 868 00:40:44,289 --> 00:40:42,259 now Tim McMillan seems to be all on 869 00:40:46,569 --> 00:40:44,299 board that everything that the Elizondo 870 00:40:48,759 --> 00:40:46,579 is saying is the truth I see no reason 871 00:40:51,099 --> 00:40:48,769 to believe that it isn't of the material 872 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:51,109 that Greenwald came up with to me was 873 00:40:55,269 --> 00:40:53,450 not especially compelling just a 874 00:40:57,130 --> 00:40:55,279 discrepancies are the normal sort of 875 00:40:58,670 --> 00:40:57,140 discrepancies that happen especially 876 00:41:01,070 --> 00:40:58,680 when you're dealing with the giant 877 00:41:04,730 --> 00:41:01,080 bureaucracy like the Defense Department 878 00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,740 but the key thing that Macmillan was 879 00:41:10,610 --> 00:41:06,960 able to turn up was apparently he was 880 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:10,620 able to get a look at a very thick 450 881 00:41:15,980 --> 00:41:13,770 page document which was basically the 882 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:15,990 report from bass from Bigelow's 883 00:41:20,990 --> 00:41:18,090 organizations subcontractor on the 884 00:41:24,590 --> 00:41:21,000 project there are a 10-month report on 885 00:41:26,330 --> 00:41:24,600 what they've been doing basically and I 886 00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:26,340 guess sent off to the Pentagon and now 887 00:41:33,340 --> 00:41:30,000 read by assuming assumably Lew Elizondo 888 00:41:35,420 --> 00:41:33,350 but what we saw in that report we 889 00:41:38,140 --> 00:41:35,430 McMullen was able to provide a couple 890 00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:38,150 snippets from it and they were 891 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:42,540 interesting and telling in it wasn't a 892 00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:45,570 whole lot of material but basically what 893 00:41:52,730 --> 00:41:49,560 we saw was we've seen an additional dirt 894 00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:52,740 an additional scientific paper provided 895 00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:55,920 by a kick green regarding a damage done 896 00:42:02,900 --> 00:41:59,280 to UFO witnesses by close encounters 897 00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:02,910 with UFOs which really didn't cover any 898 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:05,820 actual research but it was basically a 899 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:09,450 compilation of a fairly well-known cases 900 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:12,450 where where people did suffer exposure 901 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:14,250 to radiation and what kind of damage 902 00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:16,410 that causes and a couple of passing 903 00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:18,780 references to the very famous cash 904 00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:21,480 Landrum case that's all that's about all 905 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:23,640 that report included nothing really 906 00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:26,930 compelling research of a sort of a 907 00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:29,700 compilation nature and nothing really 908 00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:32,820 new there and also what they also 909 00:42:37,340 --> 00:42:35,910 included or what also McMillan was able 910 00:42:40,940 --> 00:42:37,350 to find he was a it looks like he was 911 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:40,950 able to get photographs of of a bar 912 00:42:48,140 --> 00:42:45,090 graph at one point and also also looks 913 00:42:51,020 --> 00:42:48,150 like a little bit of a report written up 914 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:51,030 that quotes a book called clear intent 915 00:42:55,850 --> 00:42:53,850 written by Barry Greenwood at Lawrence 916 00:42:59,690 --> 00:42:55,860 Fawcett a number of years ago a book 917 00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:59,700 that primarily focused on a series of 918 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:02,400 cases that took place along the the 919 00:43:05,740 --> 00:43:04,890 northern US border at different Air 920 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:05,750 Force bases 921 00:43:12,030 --> 00:43:09,210 Malmstrom Air Force Base Minot Wert 922 00:43:15,630 --> 00:43:12,040 Smith and Loring Air Force Base all 923 00:43:18,450 --> 00:43:15,640 the MEC cellent cases but apparently you 924 00:43:20,970 --> 00:43:18,460 and we've heard this from Lou Elizondo 925 00:43:23,730 --> 00:43:20,980 throughout the last couple years he 926 00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:23,740 doesn't seem to pay any attention to UFO 927 00:43:29,490 --> 00:43:26,740 researchers that realistically he wants 928 00:43:32,070 --> 00:43:29,500 a clean slate going in but apparently 929 00:43:34,650 --> 00:43:32,080 it's okay to pay attention to UFO 930 00:43:37,340 --> 00:43:34,660 researchers so long as that that 931 00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:37,350 information is filtered through a 932 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:40,000 defense contractor that is being paid 933 00:43:45,780 --> 00:43:42,490 millions of dollars so I mean basically 934 00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,790 for 20 bucks you can buy a copy of clear 935 00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:47,920 intent and just read it but it I guess 936 00:43:51,630 --> 00:43:49,510 it said this is the way government 937 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:51,640 operates it's just a lot more 938 00:43:55,410 --> 00:43:53,770 cost-effective to spend millions of 939 00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:55,420 dollars to have somebody for a 940 00:43:59,660 --> 00:43:57,250 subcontract to read clear intent and 941 00:44:02,760 --> 00:43:59,670 write a report about it so you know that 942 00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:02,770 that's basically what he's got and 943 00:44:10,050 --> 00:44:05,760 what's really interesting to me is this 944 00:44:11,850 --> 00:44:10,060 Bigelow funding of funding by the 945 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:11,860 government during this time frame from 946 00:44:19,470 --> 00:44:15,010 2008 no no I'm sorry 947 00:44:23,010 --> 00:44:19,480 yeah 2007 to 2012 so from 2007 to 2012 948 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:23,020 what have we got in terms of cases okay 949 00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,090 they've released a lot of information 950 00:44:29,550 --> 00:44:27,280 and we're very thankful that they did 951 00:44:32,250 --> 00:44:29,560 because it's been fantastic regarding 952 00:44:34,650 --> 00:44:32,260 the 2004 Nemitz case they've also 953 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:34,660 interviewed a couple pilots relating to 954 00:44:42,980 --> 00:44:39,610 a 2015 Roosevelt case pilots graves and 955 00:44:45,930 --> 00:44:42,990 a coin that's fantastic stuff however 956 00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:45,940 did they actually go out and investigate 957 00:44:50,820 --> 00:44:48,400 any cases hands on that they send boots 958 00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:50,830 on the ground and investigate any cases 959 00:44:54,930 --> 00:44:53,200 during the time frame that Bigelow was 960 00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:54,940 actually getting the funding well we 961 00:44:59,460 --> 00:44:57,250 know of one and that's because I asked 962 00:45:01,410 --> 00:44:59,470 about it and I was able to ask George 963 00:45:03,150 --> 00:45:01,420 Knapp some time back a little bit more 964 00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:03,160 than a year ago when he had a little bit 965 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:06,400 of an AMA over at the coast to coast 966 00:45:11,970 --> 00:45:09,570 website so I asked him hey I did a tip 967 00:45:13,710 --> 00:45:11,980 investigate the Stephenville case now 968 00:45:16,020 --> 00:45:13,720 that's just that's a case that I'm a 969 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:16,030 really big fan of we had Steve Hudgens 970 00:45:21,180 --> 00:45:18,610 on here a little bit more than a week 971 00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:21,190 ago and I had a lot of questions for him 972 00:45:26,190 --> 00:45:23,710 told us all about it a great case that I 973 00:45:28,910 --> 00:45:26,200 think deserves a lot more attention 974 00:45:31,770 --> 00:45:28,920 when these guys whether it's nap or 975 00:45:33,570 --> 00:45:31,780 Elizondo or DeLong or whatever the case 976 00:45:35,130 --> 00:45:33,580 may be they should start they should be 977 00:45:38,330 --> 00:45:35,140 getting asked about these cases this is 978 00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:38,340 a radar visual case this is a great case 979 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:41,440 exactly like the case is the monstrum 980 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:45,250 Minot wordsmith and luring cases a radar 981 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:47,410 visual cases radar is physical evidence 982 00:45:50,910 --> 00:45:48,970 I'm gonna make that point again I'm 983 00:45:52,740 --> 00:45:50,920 going to beat that dead horse radar is 984 00:45:55,740 --> 00:45:52,750 physical evidence well anyway this is 985 00:45:57,900 --> 00:45:55,750 the in writing this is the response that 986 00:45:59,880 --> 00:45:57,910 I got from George Knapp the answer is 987 00:46:02,330 --> 00:45:59,890 yes so yes they did investigate the 988 00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,340 Stephenville case however that part 989 00:46:07,290 --> 00:46:04,960 however the part that is fuzzy is 990 00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,300 whether it was a tip or a SAP the 991 00:46:11,220 --> 00:46:09,280 program had two names all SAP was the 992 00:46:13,590 --> 00:46:11,230 first name and it mostly referred to the 993 00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:13,600 private contractor bass I do not have a 994 00:46:17,130 --> 00:46:15,070 security clearance so I'm not supposed 995 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:17,140 to know some of this stuff but can say 996 00:46:20,970 --> 00:46:19,090 with some level of confidence that the 997 00:46:23,130 --> 00:46:20,980 Stephenville case did garner some 998 00:46:25,140 --> 00:46:23,140 attention I can't say for sure whether 999 00:46:27,180 --> 00:46:25,150 that was the folks in the Pentagon who 1000 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:27,190 looked at it or the private contractors 1001 00:46:32,420 --> 00:46:29,770 but they did exchange info on a fairly 1002 00:46:35,610 --> 00:46:32,430 regular basis from what I understand so 1003 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:35,620 basically what we've got is we're 1004 00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:37,330 getting a little bit more information I 1005 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:40,390 know that McMillan was criticized a 1006 00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,210 little bit you know to me you can't 1007 00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:45,040 shoot the messenger he got what he got 1008 00:46:49,830 --> 00:46:47,710 we know a little bit more about how they 1009 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:49,840 operated not a whole lot and it might 1010 00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:51,610 not be a fair and complete picture but 1011 00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:54,060 the picture that we're seeing is that 1012 00:46:59,790 --> 00:46:56,800 except for the Stephenville case what 1013 00:47:02,820 --> 00:46:59,800 they did was a lot of compilation Ulrike 1014 00:47:05,730 --> 00:47:02,830 PIRs based up primarily not on original 1015 00:47:06,930 --> 00:47:05,740 research but on compiling research that 1016 00:47:09,690 --> 00:47:06,940 had already been done by other people 1017 00:47:13,410 --> 00:47:09,700 and of course whether that regards 1018 00:47:16,050 --> 00:47:13,420 science or UFOs that seems to be the 1019 00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:16,060 situation until we hear otherwise that's 1020 00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:16,960 all we know 1021 00:47:20,130 --> 00:47:18,310 we'd like to know more and obviously 1022 00:47:23,010 --> 00:47:20,140 we're pushing to know more there had to 1023 00:47:24,930 --> 00:47:23,020 have been some legitimate good cases 1024 00:47:25,290 --> 00:47:24,940 that that came out during that time 1025 00:47:28,620 --> 00:47:25,300 frame 1026 00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:28,630 aside from Stephenville that that made 1027 00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:31,030 that happened regarding the military 1028 00:47:34,290 --> 00:47:33,310 some base somewhere somewhere in the 1029 00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:34,300 world they're all over the place 1030 00:47:38,740 --> 00:47:37,990 obviously but you know we're not hearing 1031 00:47:41,530 --> 00:47:38,750 about them 1032 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:41,540 and this far along it's been two and a 1033 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:43,370 half year almost two and a half years 1034 00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:46,850 now since T TSA opened the door and we 1035 00:47:51,370 --> 00:47:49,460 basically heard about two cases from 1036 00:47:53,980 --> 00:47:51,380 them directly great cases though they 1037 00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:53,990 may be there have got to be more and of 1038 00:47:58,930 --> 00:47:56,240 course because of my question asking 1039 00:48:00,670 --> 00:47:58,940 Knapp confirmed with some level of 1040 00:48:02,590 --> 00:48:00,680 confidence that the Stephenville case 1041 00:48:05,230 --> 00:48:02,600 did garner some attention so that's 1042 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:05,240 basically yeah three cases during this 1043 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:09,250 you know this entire stretch from 20 1044 00:48:16,270 --> 00:48:14,330 2004 to 2015 an 11 year span three cases 1045 00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:16,280 that's what we know about and yet at the 1046 00:48:21,730 --> 00:48:18,710 same time we've had Elizondo and Kris 1047 00:48:25,180 --> 00:48:21,740 mill and both saying that our serious 1048 00:48:27,490 --> 00:48:25,190 issue regarding the UFOs is that the 1049 00:48:29,020 --> 00:48:27,500 cases are increasing with frequency well 1050 00:48:31,210 --> 00:48:29,030 what are those some of those other cases 1051 00:48:33,310 --> 00:48:31,220 let's hear about those we have a right 1052 00:48:35,470 --> 00:48:33,320 to know it's such a big issue you want 1053 00:48:38,260 --> 00:48:35,480 to gather public support to put pressure 1054 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:38,270 on Congress to investigate UFOs further 1055 00:48:42,190 --> 00:48:40,370 well you know how are we going to do it 1056 00:48:44,020 --> 00:48:42,200 with the kind of information that we 1057 00:48:45,490 --> 00:48:44,030 have at hand so let me catch my breath 1058 00:48:47,620 --> 00:48:45,500 and if you want to jump here and in here 1059 00:48:49,220 --> 00:48:47,630 and say something at you and by all 1060 00:48:51,020 --> 00:48:49,230 means go right ahead 1061 00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:51,030 you know I actually don't have any 1062 00:48:56,359 --> 00:48:52,710 comments on this I might in another 1063 00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:56,369 podcast but now I you know I just have I 1064 00:49:00,620 --> 00:48:58,530 have a lot of topics I want to cover 1065 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:00,630 that our current and trending topics in 1066 00:49:06,980 --> 00:49:03,690 ufology and this may be one of them but 1067 00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,990 just not right now okay okay so yeah and 1068 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:08,400 again now that's where we're at right 1069 00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:08,850 now 1070 00:49:14,330 --> 00:49:12,960 frequency and I'll make this other point 1071 00:49:16,130 --> 00:49:14,340 to it because I think this is an 1072 00:49:17,930 --> 00:49:16,140 important point to make I think most of 1073 00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:17,940 the people who have follow the UFO field 1074 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:22,140 fairly carefully are convinced that some 1075 00:49:27,650 --> 00:49:25,130 of these UFO cases are in fact 1076 00:49:30,859 --> 00:49:27,660 extraterrestrial visitors so if you 1077 00:49:32,690 --> 00:49:30,869 accept that and I do and I don't know if 1078 00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:32,700 you do or not chant but I certainly do 1079 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:35,700 then the key question then becomes how 1080 00:49:41,420 --> 00:49:38,130 often is it happening and when you look 1081 00:49:42,859 --> 00:49:41,430 at these cases UFO cases they come in by 1082 00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:42,869 the thousands and we've had 1083 00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:45,300 investigators on here and most of them 1084 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:46,710 can be explained some of them be a 1085 00:49:50,990 --> 00:49:48,810 little bit more easily than others but 1086 00:49:53,780 --> 00:49:51,000 most of them can yet still there are 1087 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:53,790 those troublesome cases and a particular 1088 00:49:58,700 --> 00:49:56,010 class of case a particular type of case 1089 00:50:00,440 --> 00:49:58,710 these radar visual cases where you've 1090 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:00,450 got physical evidence in the form of 1091 00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:03,210 radar capturing these UFOs and they're 1092 00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:05,640 getting cited as well those are cases 1093 00:50:11,570 --> 00:50:08,640 that merit being set aside they merit 1094 00:50:14,510 --> 00:50:11,580 being set into a special classification 1095 00:50:16,460 --> 00:50:14,520 of cases and I think that when you put 1096 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:16,470 all those cases together and I'm not 1097 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:18,690 saying every radar physical and but 1098 00:50:24,349 --> 00:50:21,330 every radar visual case is going to be 1099 00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:24,359 et but if you're looking for cases that 1100 00:50:29,450 --> 00:50:27,000 are in fact et that's where it's gonna 1101 00:50:31,220 --> 00:50:29,460 be most likely that's where they're 1102 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:31,230 gonna be most likely to be found so 1103 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:32,730 that's about all I've got to say on that 1104 00:50:38,060 --> 00:50:35,850 subject chant and let's go on to our 1105 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:38,070 next topic if you will are you ready for 1106 00:50:45,690 --> 00:50:41,770 that oh yeah okay 1107 00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:45,700 okay now on to our next issue now a few 1108 00:50:51,810 --> 00:50:49,200 weeks back an article came out touting a 1109 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:51,820 enormous and earth-shattering an event 1110 00:50:58,109 --> 00:50:54,970 that the the Vatican was going to host a 1111 00:51:00,420 --> 00:50:58,119 UFO conference this got a lot of play 1112 00:51:03,420 --> 00:51:00,430 people were again taking this silly 1113 00:51:06,450 --> 00:51:03,430 story at face value there was some truth 1114 00:51:07,530 --> 00:51:06,460 at it at the at the core of it there was 1115 00:51:10,070 --> 00:51:07,540 some accuracy to it 1116 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:10,080 however the story was grossly 1117 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:13,570 exaggerated and we sort of dug in on 1118 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:15,970 this a little bit so [\h__\h] you want to 1119 00:51:21,780 --> 00:51:17,890 take it away and explain a little bit 1120 00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:21,790 about what happened there yeah so on 1121 00:51:29,730 --> 00:51:27,190 this in beside they had an article that 1122 00:51:33,540 --> 00:51:29,740 was published on January 16th of this 1123 00:51:34,970 --> 00:51:33,550 year and the title proclaims the Vatican 1124 00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:34,980 prepares a conference on 1125 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:37,920 extraterrestrial life which is rather 1126 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:41,290 misleading I believe because after 1127 00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:44,770 having done research on this I found out 1128 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:48,160 that there might be a conference being 1129 00:51:55,710 --> 00:51:51,850 held in Vatican City but not at the 1130 00:51:59,490 --> 00:51:55,720 actual Vatican itself now I did reach 1131 00:52:01,740 --> 00:51:59,500 out to two well-known and when I say 1132 00:52:04,530 --> 00:52:01,750 well-known these people are legendary in 1133 00:52:07,410 --> 00:52:04,540 the field of ufology I cannot mention 1134 00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:07,420 the other person but that person did say 1135 00:52:14,070 --> 00:52:10,510 this is absolutely not true if it were 1136 00:52:15,810 --> 00:52:14,080 true that the word astrobiology would 1137 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:15,820 have been included in this UFO 1138 00:52:20,310 --> 00:52:17,410 conference or this conference on 1139 00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:20,320 extraterrestrial life rather to be held 1140 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:22,960 at the Vatican and the other individual 1141 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:27,450 that I contacted was Alex Giannetti and 1142 00:52:36,060 --> 00:52:32,530 he he actually contacted an individual 1143 00:52:39,260 --> 00:52:36,070 who was the founder of Kuhn which is the 1144 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:39,270 organization that is responsible for 1145 00:52:45,590 --> 00:52:42,490 being part of this conference regarding 1146 00:52:48,420 --> 00:52:45,600 extraterrestrial life at the Vatican and 1147 00:52:51,660 --> 00:52:48,430 allegedly and I'm gonna go ahead and 1148 00:52:54,819 --> 00:52:51,670 read what Alex said he said hi guys the 1149 00:52:57,459 --> 00:52:54,829 source is snake dose 1150 00:52:59,289 --> 00:52:57,469 UFOs Spain a sensationalist site from 1151 00:53:01,329 --> 00:52:59,299 Spain of dubious reputation on its 1152 00:53:02,949 --> 00:53:01,339 announcements and veracity also they 1153 00:53:05,919 --> 00:53:02,959 have an English version I just talked 1154 00:53:08,979 --> 00:53:05,929 with dr. P no t he doesn't know anything 1155 00:53:10,900 --> 00:53:08,989 nothing about this that was in 1156 00:53:12,939 --> 00:53:10,910 parentheses by the way and then Alex 1157 00:53:16,569 --> 00:53:12,949 goes on to say who was founder of the 1158 00:53:20,769 --> 00:53:16,579 Kuhn C UN that was also director before 1159 00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:20,779 and after fled Mero Biblio T mentioned 1160 00:53:26,229 --> 00:53:22,910 as responsible for the unconfirmed event 1161 00:53:29,319 --> 00:53:26,239 in February the Vatican having have been 1162 00:53:33,099 --> 00:53:29,329 having during the last years many events 1163 00:53:35,650 --> 00:53:33,109 on astronomy and exobiology and in 2015 1164 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:35,660 Kuhn was lecturing about UFOs also 1165 00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:37,729 article is totally wrong and associating 1166 00:53:43,660 --> 00:53:41,119 this pioneering organization onto to the 1167 00:53:46,209 --> 00:53:43,670 Stars Academy in October 2018 1168 00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:46,219 biblio D invited DeLong and Lozano to a 1169 00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:48,049 national event in Rome as the Academy 1170 00:53:51,759 --> 00:53:49,910 was interested in starting exchange of 1171 00:53:53,289 --> 00:53:51,769 information with official delegations in 1172 00:53:55,929 --> 00:53:53,299 Europe and around the world although 1173 00:53:58,169 --> 00:53:55,939 their interest is find to find evidence 1174 00:54:00,999 --> 00:53:58,179 to sustain their pedestrian philosophy 1175 00:54:03,819 --> 00:54:01,009 epistemology that UFOs are matter of 1176 00:54:06,459 --> 00:54:03,829 defence and security this is this also 1177 00:54:08,859 --> 00:54:06,469 was agreed by the director board of the 1178 00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,869 Kuhn then with the exception of one 1179 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:10,400 member related to intelligence 1180 00:54:16,269 --> 00:54:13,249 the Italians included the Vatican always 1181 00:54:18,329 --> 00:54:16,279 have been had a positive and non-harming 1182 00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:18,339 open position with and toward 1183 00:54:22,509 --> 00:54:20,569 extraterrestrial life and its past and 1184 00:54:25,779 --> 00:54:22,519 present UFO phenomena sightings and 1185 00:54:27,489 --> 00:54:25,789 related manifestations and he also went 1186 00:54:29,799 --> 00:54:27,499 on to say he's checking with the Vatican 1187 00:54:33,849 --> 00:54:29,809 anyway and hopes to have an official 1188 00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:33,859 response soon on this but Alex basic 1189 00:54:40,029 --> 00:54:38,689 point was that even dr. Panaji who is 1190 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:40,039 the founder of the organization 1191 00:54:43,689 --> 00:54:42,410 mentioned in this article that will be 1192 00:54:46,359 --> 00:54:43,699 involved in this alleged 1193 00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:46,369 extraterrestrial conference at the 1194 00:54:52,859 --> 00:54:50,089 Vatican had no idea about this and it 1195 00:54:55,569 --> 00:54:52,869 doesn't sound like there's much 1196 00:54:57,969 --> 00:54:55,579 authenticity to this claim the other 1197 00:55:00,160 --> 00:54:57,979 thing I wanted to mention is the Vatican 1198 00:55:03,459 --> 00:55:00,170 has considered the possibility of aliens 1199 00:55:06,509 --> 00:55:03,469 and - one to mention in November 11th of 1200 00:55:08,049 --> 00:55:06,519 2009 there's an article on CBS news.com 1201 00:55:10,359 --> 00:55:08,059 regarding that 1202 00:55:14,650 --> 00:55:10,369 and there was some kind of conference 1203 00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:14,660 and there were folks of science-related 1204 00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:17,209 and religious backgrounds that attended 1205 00:55:21,989 --> 00:55:19,849 this actual conference so my point here 1206 00:55:28,349 --> 00:55:21,999 is when there's an actual conference 1207 00:55:33,819 --> 00:55:30,910 mainstream media usually covers it well 1208 00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:33,829 I went ahead and checked also with the 1209 00:55:39,969 --> 00:55:36,400 Vatican's website the papal calendar and 1210 00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:39,979 after translating everything just like 1211 00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:41,839 Frank did because he did his own source 1212 00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:44,569 checking - there is absolutely nothing 1213 00:55:52,779 --> 00:55:49,119 to indicate that there is or was a 1214 00:55:55,929 --> 00:55:52,789 conference there this month or any month 1215 00:55:58,479 --> 00:55:55,939 so far this year regarding 1216 00:56:01,839 --> 00:55:58,489 extraterrestrial life or UFO activity of 1217 00:56:03,849 --> 00:56:01,849 any kind and it's really important to 1218 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:03,859 note that if the Vatican is going to 1219 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:06,650 have a conference like that that that is 1220 00:56:12,279 --> 00:56:09,890 what the papal calendar is for is to 1221 00:56:14,769 --> 00:56:12,289 list things of that nature or of any 1222 00:56:16,269 --> 00:56:14,779 nature regarding any kind of session or 1223 00:56:20,380 --> 00:56:16,279 conference or activity they're going to 1224 00:56:21,849 --> 00:56:20,390 be having so that's the end of it and I 1225 00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,859 do know that a lot of people in the UFO 1226 00:56:27,870 --> 00:56:23,599 field were really excited about this and 1227 00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:27,880 they really wanted this to be you know 1228 00:56:33,279 --> 00:56:31,609 we saw there was a big big there there 1229 00:56:36,999 --> 00:56:33,289 was there were folks falling all over 1230 00:56:39,609 --> 00:56:37,009 themselves trying to prove this was true 1231 00:56:43,989 --> 00:56:39,619 but if it's not on the Vatican's 1232 00:56:46,359 --> 00:56:43,999 official website and also I its then it 1233 00:56:48,249 --> 00:56:46,369 didn't happen okay and the last thing I 1234 00:56:50,469 --> 00:56:48,259 wanted to mention is I did do some 1235 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:50,479 source checking after the event was 1236 00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,890 alleged to have happened at the Vatican 1237 00:56:55,539 --> 00:56:54,079 which was on February 12th and still 1238 00:56:57,130 --> 00:56:55,549 nothing there's nothing there to show 1239 00:56:59,169 --> 00:56:57,140 that it actually occurred nothing 1240 00:57:02,769 --> 00:56:59,179 nothing ever did happen because in point 1241 00:57:06,489 --> 00:57:02,779 of fact what this dodgy website there 1242 00:57:09,819 --> 00:57:06,499 reported was a grossly exaggerated based 1243 00:57:12,969 --> 00:57:09,829 on fact what what actually happened was 1244 00:57:16,959 --> 00:57:12,979 there is a parish the Pontifical parish 1245 00:57:19,749 --> 00:57:16,969 st. Anna of the Vatican and what what 1246 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:19,759 they do is on Wednesday nights every 1247 00:57:24,460 --> 00:57:21,650 Wednesday night they have a 1248 00:57:26,769 --> 00:57:24,470 regular speaking program and they'll 1249 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:26,779 have different speakers come in for 1250 00:57:33,460 --> 00:57:30,650 example January 22nd the 50th year of 1251 00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:33,470 the Vatican radio for example and looks 1252 00:57:39,069 --> 00:57:35,359 like someone that came in and then I 1253 00:57:42,819 --> 00:57:39,079 spoke about that and they also had let's 1254 00:57:47,019 --> 00:57:42,829 see a speaker come in and talk about 1255 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:47,029 kidney diseases okay so what happened on 1256 00:57:52,809 --> 00:57:50,450 February 12th was they did have a 1257 00:57:55,180 --> 00:57:52,819 speaker at this look at this Paris that 1258 00:57:57,970 --> 00:57:55,190 is located within Vatican City they had 1259 00:58:01,480 --> 00:57:57,980 one speaker come in Vladimiro Babylon II 1260 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:01,490 who was associated with se UN the the 1261 00:58:06,220 --> 00:58:04,130 Centro you falada col Nacional a 1262 00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:06,230 basically the basically was the 1263 00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:09,680 organization that Elizondo and DeLong 1264 00:58:15,609 --> 00:58:12,400 spoke at and then you saw some of their 1265 00:58:17,710 --> 00:58:15,619 behind-the-scenes exchanges on video 1266 00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:17,720 during the final episode of the 1267 00:58:22,990 --> 00:58:20,510 unidentified program so that is that 1268 00:58:25,210 --> 00:58:23,000 organization he is a bevel Adi is from 1269 00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,220 that organization and he did speak at 1270 00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:27,440 this local pet this parish that's in 1271 00:58:32,829 --> 00:58:30,799 Vatican City on the subject of the 1272 00:58:34,779 --> 00:58:32,839 universe and possible meetings with 1273 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:34,789 other civilizations and there's 1274 00:58:41,230 --> 00:58:36,770 basically the bill that's the lineup for 1275 00:58:43,660 --> 00:58:41,240 all the different speakers that looks 1276 00:58:45,940 --> 00:58:43,670 like this parish has lined up through 1277 00:58:49,569 --> 00:58:45,950 the first quarter and there you can see 1278 00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:49,579 Bill Oddie in February he is listed 1279 00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:52,400 let's see it was the 12th so he's the 1280 00:58:58,420 --> 00:58:56,480 second one down in February oh my my 1281 00:59:00,460 --> 00:58:58,430 Italian is not as good as it once was 1282 00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:00,470 back when from the days that I was 1283 00:59:06,690 --> 00:59:02,720 growing up in North Jersey when now my 1284 00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:06,700 Italian was in fact quite excellent but 1285 00:59:12,250 --> 00:59:09,650 but those days ago so basically this is 1286 00:59:15,339 --> 00:59:12,260 a this is a local church that has a 1287 00:59:18,370 --> 00:59:15,349 regular speakers program they had a 1288 00:59:20,589 --> 00:59:18,380 researcher from si UN come in to talk 1289 00:59:23,620 --> 00:59:20,599 about the possible alien encounters and 1290 00:59:25,870 --> 00:59:23,630 that is basically the gist of what they 1291 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:25,880 actually did and this particular story 1292 00:59:32,019 --> 00:59:29,210 got blown up and exaggerated wildly and 1293 00:59:35,530 --> 00:59:32,029 somehow got turned into a Vatican 1294 00:59:37,870 --> 00:59:35,540 conference that presentation Eliza 1295 00:59:40,180 --> 00:59:37,880 so yeah so again there's a little bit 1296 00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:40,190 true of truth at the core of this but 1297 00:59:47,620 --> 00:59:43,760 again this this entire show is basically 1298 00:59:50,590 --> 00:59:47,630 been to sort of bore down a little bit 1299 00:59:52,330 --> 00:59:50,600 on so much exaggeration and nonsense 1300 00:59:54,910 --> 00:59:52,340 that is floating around in the field 1301 00:59:56,740 --> 00:59:54,920 that we may we may look back on this 1302 00:59:59,350 --> 00:59:56,750 particular show in that future dates and 1303 01:00:01,480 --> 00:59:59,360 I'll call it our nonsense show I think 1304 01:00:04,540 --> 01:00:01,490 that might be that's basically what we 1305 01:00:05,950 --> 01:00:04,550 did we we've cut down on we've cut into 1306 01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:05,960 a lot of the nonsense that's been 1307 01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:07,280 floating around for the last couple 1308 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:09,170 weeks the reason for it well yeah I mean 1309 01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:11,930 things have been slow since basically 1310 01:00:15,370 --> 01:00:12,710 last summer 1311 01:00:17,380 --> 01:00:15,380 nothing really wildly compelling there 1312 01:00:20,530 --> 01:00:17,390 was a new article by Chris melon that 1313 01:00:25,810 --> 01:00:20,540 was posted on the yeah the American 1314 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:25,820 Legion website today and possibly they 1315 01:00:29,590 --> 01:00:27,530 are you know they're gearing up and 1316 01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:29,600 we'll see more we've been having some 1317 01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:31,760 private conversations where you know it 1318 01:00:36,220 --> 01:00:33,710 looks like maybe some additional cases 1319 01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,230 are you know going to be discussed 1320 01:00:40,420 --> 01:00:38,480 during their second run of shows and 1321 01:00:42,790 --> 01:00:40,430 they will come to light so hopefully 1322 01:00:47,110 --> 01:00:42,800 that is the case but the way things are 1323 01:00:48,850 --> 01:00:47,120 right now frankly it you know we're in a 1324 01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:48,860 position where the best thing to do is 1325 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:50,720 to knock down a lot of the nonsense 1326 01:00:54,250 --> 01:00:52,010 basically and a lot of the wishful 1327 01:00:56,350 --> 01:00:54,260 thinking that's going on and so far 1328 01:00:59,280 --> 01:00:56,360 we've done that and we've got one far 1329 01:01:02,800 --> 01:00:59,290 we've got another segment to get to so 1330 01:01:05,860 --> 01:01:02,810 unless you have something to wrap this 1331 01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:05,870 particular segment up with chant one 1332 01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:08,480 last thing yeah one last thing to 1333 01:01:17,710 --> 01:01:16,310 mention is if you wanna break your 1334 01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:17,720 breaking up a little bit break it up a 1335 01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:19,970 little bit so you might want to start 1336 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:22,070 okay your last point start from the top 1337 01:01:26,350 --> 01:01:24,290 if you don't mind I did actually reach 1338 01:01:30,580 --> 01:01:26,360 out to the Vatican to ask them about 1339 01:01:32,890 --> 01:01:30,590 this I did also reach out to Kuhn 1340 01:01:34,990 --> 01:01:32,900 organization to find out more 1341 01:01:37,210 --> 01:01:35,000 information so it was just letting I'm 1342 01:01:39,010 --> 01:01:37,220 letting my listeners know that I've been 1343 01:01:42,490 --> 01:01:39,020 doing my due diligence on this to reach 1344 01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:42,500 out to various folks and organizations 1345 01:01:47,740 --> 01:01:45,170 to find out more about it but lastly did 1346 01:01:49,329 --> 01:01:47,750 want to mention that if you go on the 1347 01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:49,339 Vatican's official 1348 01:01:52,450 --> 01:01:51,529 papal calendar website you will see on 1349 01:01:56,410 --> 01:01:52,460 February 12th 1350 01:01:59,979 --> 01:01:56,420 it says Kelly de Amazonia post sindelle 1351 01:02:02,079 --> 01:01:59,989 a pop apostille lik exhortation to the 1352 01:02:05,049 --> 01:02:02,089 people of God into all people of 1353 01:02:07,180 --> 01:02:05,059 goodwill 12 p.m. on February 12th that 1354 01:02:09,219 --> 01:02:07,190 is all the Vatican had they did not have 1355 01:02:10,930 --> 01:02:09,229 anything else yeah and it's not 1356 01:02:13,269 --> 01:02:10,940 surprising that the people that you 1357 01:02:15,339 --> 01:02:13,279 reached out to didn't really know about 1358 01:02:17,469 --> 01:02:15,349 beginning Asia because it's a speaking 1359 01:02:19,660 --> 01:02:17,479 engagement and you know as part of a 1360 01:02:21,789 --> 01:02:19,670 local church function it yeah is it's 1361 01:02:23,620 --> 01:02:21,799 you know it's nice that they did that 1362 01:02:25,269 --> 01:02:23,630 it's cool that they did that but you 1363 01:02:28,630 --> 01:02:25,279 know they're not gonna know all about it 1364 01:02:30,609 --> 01:02:28,640 you know I can't I can't Nestor's 1365 01:02:32,769 --> 01:02:30,619 necessarily say they don't know about it 1366 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:32,779 I can just say I did do my due diligence 1367 01:02:36,849 --> 01:02:35,210 and reach out to them but I did not get 1368 01:02:39,969 --> 01:02:36,859 a response and lastly just want to 1369 01:02:41,469 --> 01:02:39,979 remind listeners to go ahead and look up 1370 01:02:43,420 --> 01:02:41,479 something very interesting and that is 1371 01:02:44,799 --> 01:02:43,430 something a lot of people know but some 1372 01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:44,809 people do not and that's the Vatican 1373 01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:47,450 Observatory owns a telescope in Arizona 1374 01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:50,210 and as Rome expanded light pollution 1375 01:02:53,799 --> 01:02:51,440 from the city made it increasingly 1376 01:02:56,170 --> 01:02:53,809 difficult for astronomers astronomers at 1377 01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:56,180 Vatican Observatory located 15 miles 1378 01:03:00,519 --> 01:02:57,680 from the city at the papal summer 1379 01:03:03,219 --> 01:03:00,529 residence in Castel Gandolfo to view the 1380 01:03:04,539 --> 01:03:03,229 night skies so an 81 the observatory 1381 01:03:06,670 --> 01:03:04,549 opened a second Research Center in 1382 01:03:08,349 --> 01:03:06,680 Tucson Arizona and the Vatican conducts 1383 01:03:10,749 --> 01:03:08,359 astronomical research with a state of 1384 01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:10,759 the art a telescope that sits atop Mount 1385 01:03:20,170 --> 01:03:14,089 Graham in South East Arizona alrighty 1386 01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:20,180 then on to our next topic and finally 1387 01:03:26,499 --> 01:03:23,119 tonight we're going to deal with a now 1388 01:03:31,779 --> 01:03:26,509 article that that was posted over at the 1389 01:03:34,420 --> 01:03:31,789 Vice vises a mainstream news entity 1390 01:03:37,839 --> 01:03:34,430 they've got a TV show or I believe it's 1391 01:03:40,719 --> 01:03:37,849 a zit on HBO could be on HBO and they've 1392 01:03:43,809 --> 01:03:40,729 also got a website so a day their small 1393 01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:43,819 I mean it's not NBC or CBS but they've 1394 01:03:49,319 --> 01:03:45,650 got there a niche I would say yeah 1395 01:03:53,109 --> 01:03:49,329 mainstream news organization and they've 1396 01:03:55,630 --> 01:03:53,119 posted certainly a number of UFO 1397 01:03:57,969 --> 01:03:55,640 articles over the the last couple of 1398 01:04:00,339 --> 01:03:57,979 years or so and a number though of them 1399 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:00,349 have been written by somebody named MJ 1400 01:04:02,530 --> 01:04:00,890 binaya 1401 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:02,540 now last we 1402 01:04:08,190 --> 01:04:05,930 or within the last week or so an article 1403 01:04:10,900 --> 01:04:08,200 was posted by benaiah s-- that basically 1404 01:04:14,620 --> 01:04:10,910 highlighted the work of Damon steer of 1405 01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:14,630 the Conway Daily Sun now whether the the 1406 01:04:21,070 --> 01:04:17,530 Conway Sun is a New Hampshire based 1407 01:04:22,690 --> 01:04:21,080 newspaper that obviously with the New 1408 01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:22,700 Hampshire primary are happening just 1409 01:04:28,420 --> 01:04:26,570 recently has had the the Democratic 1410 01:04:31,540 --> 01:04:28,430 candidates come through town and what 1411 01:04:33,850 --> 01:04:31,550 Damon invariably does is when he gets a 1412 01:04:36,790 --> 01:04:33,860 the opportunity to ask each of the 1413 01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:36,800 candidates about the UFO question he 1414 01:04:41,380 --> 01:04:38,930 gets that in there and lots of them of 1415 01:04:44,910 --> 01:04:41,390 answered to in varying degrees Amy 1416 01:04:48,010 --> 01:04:44,920 Klobuchar Bernie Sanders Duval Patrick 1417 01:04:50,530 --> 01:04:48,020 Tulsi Gabbard and there been a couple 1418 01:04:53,620 --> 01:04:50,540 others so basically a B'nai is's article 1419 01:04:58,210 --> 01:04:53,630 got a little bit of comment from Daymond 1420 01:05:00,220 --> 01:04:58,220 and also was a compiled of the responses 1421 01:05:02,230 --> 01:05:00,230 that he got so this was an article that 1422 01:05:04,270 --> 01:05:02,240 I did see but I have to admit that I 1423 01:05:06,820 --> 01:05:04,280 originally did not read through it all 1424 01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:06,830 that much because basically I have 1425 01:05:13,290 --> 01:05:09,650 access to Damon's articles where he 1426 01:05:15,220 --> 01:05:13,300 actually posts the the full video of the 1427 01:05:17,770 --> 01:05:15,230 conversation with these various 1428 01:05:20,170 --> 01:05:17,780 presidential candidates and it has a 1429 01:05:22,930 --> 01:05:20,180 timestamp hey the UFO question comes in 1430 01:05:25,540 --> 01:05:22,940 here so I've been able to follow that as 1431 01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:25,550 they've come out and then post them over 1432 01:05:29,050 --> 01:05:27,200 at my group so people can take a look 1433 01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:29,060 and see what these different Democrat 1434 01:05:34,570 --> 01:05:31,130 candidates think about the UFO question 1435 01:05:37,330 --> 01:05:34,580 so Damon's dad doing great work and 1436 01:05:39,850 --> 01:05:37,340 binaya said basically got his comment 1437 01:05:43,540 --> 01:05:39,860 and compiled some of the responses that 1438 01:05:46,090 --> 01:05:43,550 Damon got together and okay that that 1439 01:05:48,100 --> 01:05:46,100 article got posted at my group I didn't 1440 01:05:51,700 --> 01:05:48,110 read through that article terribly 1441 01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:51,710 carefully for a real specific reason and 1442 01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,770 again as I stated earlier it's because I 1443 01:05:58,930 --> 01:05:56,720 saw it as it was coming out so there was 1444 01:06:01,780 --> 01:05:58,940 no reason for me to follow up with it 1445 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:01,790 more carefully however someone noticed 1446 01:06:06,730 --> 01:06:04,370 and chant you might be able to add some 1447 01:06:09,250 --> 01:06:06,740 feedback on this somebody noticed and 1448 01:06:12,370 --> 01:06:09,260 took a great offense to the particular 1449 01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:12,380 paragraph that was inserted really for 1450 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:14,480 no apparent reason it was completely 1451 01:06:18,279 --> 01:06:15,890 off-topic to the rest of 1452 01:06:21,549 --> 01:06:18,289 the article but this was inserted by 1453 01:06:22,599 --> 01:06:21,559 banais yeah I can read that okay you 1454 01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:22,609 want to go ahead and read that while 1455 01:06:27,849 --> 01:06:24,799 more mainstream okay go ahead yeah yeah 1456 01:06:30,819 --> 01:06:27,859 okay so at the bottom of this article 1457 01:06:33,130 --> 01:06:30,829 very nearly it says while more 1458 01:06:34,900 --> 01:06:33,140 mainstream coverage of UFOs continues to 1459 01:06:37,059 --> 01:06:34,910 bombard the internet and cable news 1460 01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:37,069 channels the UFO community is far from 1461 01:06:41,740 --> 01:06:39,920 unified voting bloc no data exists which 1462 01:06:44,980 --> 01:06:41,750 clearly in a case which side of the 1463 01:06:47,319 --> 01:06:44,990 aisle UFO people tend to fall on that 1464 01:06:50,019 --> 01:06:47,329 being said politics is undoubtedly baked 1465 01:06:51,849 --> 01:06:50,029 into many ufology circles many 1466 01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:51,859 right-wing conspiracies who are into 1467 01:06:56,319 --> 01:06:55,130 both UFOs and queuing on deem president 1468 01:06:58,480 --> 01:06:56,329 Donald Trump to be some sort of 1469 01:07:00,640 --> 01:06:58,490 messianic figure ready to save America 1470 01:07:02,620 --> 01:07:00,650 from various secret evil cabal 1471 01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:02,630 combine that with weird conspiracies 1472 01:07:06,819 --> 01:07:04,609 concerning ancient alien astronauts and 1473 01:07:08,289 --> 01:07:06,829 alternative history which is opted in 1474 01:07:10,269 --> 01:07:08,299 the fair of neo-nazi and white 1475 01:07:12,250 --> 01:07:10,279 supremacist groups and the seedy 1476 01:07:14,140 --> 01:07:12,260 underbelly of some UFO groups begin to 1477 01:07:18,759 --> 01:07:14,150 indicate a clear political and optin 1478 01:07:21,519 --> 01:07:18,769 racial position now what is that what is 1479 01:07:24,249 --> 01:07:21,529 that doing in this article you know you 1480 01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:24,259 you should be spotlighting the work of a 1481 01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:26,240 great journalist like Damon steer and 1482 01:07:30,279 --> 01:07:28,880 then you stick something like that in 1483 01:07:33,069 --> 01:07:30,289 there it makes absolutely no sense 1484 01:07:38,890 --> 01:07:33,079 whatsoever yeah he provides some links 1485 01:07:41,230 --> 01:07:38,900 to some some other articles and websites 1486 01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:41,240 that that supposedly support his 1487 01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:44,240 position they really don't it that he's 1488 01:07:49,210 --> 01:07:46,160 had this agenda and he's had this agenda 1489 01:07:51,730 --> 01:07:49,220 for a while as a now-defunct podcast he 1490 01:07:55,359 --> 01:07:51,740 had some poet friend of his worthy the 1491 01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:55,369 focus was of conversation was on this on 1492 01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:58,130 the the racism of the UFO community and 1493 01:08:03,490 --> 01:08:01,039 it is it's a absolute garbage and a very 1494 01:08:05,950 --> 01:08:03,500 irresponsible thing to write and really 1495 01:08:07,870 --> 01:08:05,960 not true and what I'll do is I'll try to 1496 01:08:10,660 --> 01:08:07,880 explain that why I think it is first of 1497 01:08:12,460 --> 01:08:10,670 all UFOs are out there so yeah a lot of 1498 01:08:13,509 --> 01:08:12,470 different people I can latch on to it 1499 01:08:14,589 --> 01:08:13,519 some of them will be right-wing 1500 01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:14,599 conspiracy some of them will be 1501 01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:17,449 left-wing someone will be all types but 1502 01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:19,370 what he's really attempting to do here 1503 01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,250 is a paint the entire community with 1504 01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:24,080 this broad brush of racism which is 1505 01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:26,239 absolutely preposterous now not 1506 01:08:29,649 --> 01:08:28,310 surprisingly he was called on this and 1507 01:08:32,499 --> 01:08:29,659 here was his 1508 01:08:35,049 --> 01:08:32,509 response I do you want to mention the 1509 01:08:38,049 --> 01:08:35,059 name of the friend of yours who saw this 1510 01:08:40,989 --> 01:08:38,059 and that was critical of it well all I 1511 01:08:42,879 --> 01:08:40,999 can say is the individual that pointed 1512 01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:42,889 out this article in a group said this 1513 01:08:48,029 --> 01:08:45,289 I'm more disgusted at the biased 1514 01:08:50,140 --> 01:08:48,039 nonsense part about ancient astronaut an 1515 01:08:52,809 --> 01:08:50,150 alternative history being a racist 1516 01:08:54,699 --> 01:08:52,819 concept want to read bad biased 1517 01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:54,709 journalism then go ahead and click that 1518 01:09:00,129 --> 01:08:58,159 link biased nonsense personally I will 1519 01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:00,139 not share this for the good of the 1520 01:09:05,140 --> 01:09:02,319 community and hope others follow suit 1521 01:09:09,029 --> 01:09:05,150 then you know there's a series of 1522 01:09:12,069 --> 01:09:09,039 comments here that we're asking MJ to 1523 01:09:14,019 --> 01:09:12,079 please answer to a few comments and when 1524 01:09:15,999 --> 01:09:14,029 it's I just want to go and read it and 1525 01:09:18,099 --> 01:09:16,009 that is can you address in this 1526 01:09:20,859 --> 01:09:18,109 paragraph your article and they're 1527 01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:20,869 asking MJ bond OSIS combine that with 1528 01:09:24,669 --> 01:09:22,880 weird conspiracies concerning ancient 1529 01:09:26,019 --> 01:09:24,679 aliens astronauts and alternative 1530 01:09:27,879 --> 01:09:26,029 history which is often the fare of 1531 01:09:30,849 --> 01:09:27,889 neo-nazi and white supremacist groups 1532 01:09:32,199 --> 01:09:30,859 and the seedy underbelly of some UFO 1533 01:09:34,329 --> 01:09:32,209 groups begin to indicate a clear 1534 01:09:36,549 --> 01:09:34,339 political and often racial position and 1535 01:09:38,890 --> 01:09:36,559 then the question is this why is the 1536 01:09:41,079 --> 01:09:38,900 ancient aliens topic considered weird 1537 01:09:42,729 --> 01:09:41,089 and racist one of those topics are 1538 01:09:45,309 --> 01:09:42,739 traditionally covered in many UFO 1539 01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:45,319 related groups without a single racist 1540 01:09:50,949 --> 01:09:47,839 overtone one of these topics can include 1541 01:09:53,799 --> 01:09:50,959 the idea of some racism Nazi Bell UFO / 1542 01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:53,809 rural society idea hoaxes possibly it 1543 01:09:58,839 --> 01:09:55,610 really depends on how some folks 1544 01:10:01,719 --> 01:09:58,849 represent that unproven history but the 1545 01:10:03,569 --> 01:10:01,729 a a topic alien an ancient alien topic 1546 01:10:06,549 --> 01:10:03,579 in a broad sense does not represent 1547 01:10:08,770 --> 01:10:06,559 racism it looks like you focused in on 1548 01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:08,780 an aspect of these topics and decided to 1549 01:10:13,989 --> 01:10:11,449 cherry-pick an aspect of them that could 1550 01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:13,999 indeed be racist which was manufactured 1551 01:10:19,179 --> 01:10:17,090 by people who have nefarious intent by 1552 01:10:21,069 --> 01:10:19,189 and large most folks in the UFO 1553 01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:21,079 community who ascribed to ancient alien 1554 01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:23,329 astronauts are not espousing racist 1555 01:10:30,069 --> 01:10:26,719 propaganda to openly call ancient alien 1556 01:10:31,989 --> 01:10:30,079 astronauts theorists theorists raices is 1557 01:10:34,839 --> 01:10:31,999 not fair to those folks who are 1558 01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:34,849 absolutely not racist nor have ill-will 1559 01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:39,530 towards others yeah and his initial 1560 01:10:43,399 --> 01:10:42,050 response is plenty of work has been done 1561 01:10:46,370 --> 01:10:43,409 concerning this at his 1562 01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:46,380 secret as per the study done by dr. 1563 01:10:51,169 --> 01:10:48,170 Brenda denzler that the UFO community 1564 01:10:53,300 --> 01:10:51,179 does have political bias I've never seen 1565 01:10:55,310 --> 01:10:53,310 any evidence if anything I would say it 1566 01:10:58,280 --> 01:10:55,320 probably leans a little bit left towards 1567 01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:58,290 the Democratic side and also and that's 1568 01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,199 just based on no research whatsoever but 1569 01:11:05,810 --> 01:11:03,600 basically just my impressions about 1570 01:11:08,030 --> 01:11:05,820 talking to when dealing with people in 1571 01:11:09,740 --> 01:11:08,040 the in the UFO community over a number 1572 01:11:12,290 --> 01:11:09,750 of years and a lot of yeah some of them 1573 01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:12,300 do lean way right some of them do leaden 1574 01:11:15,500 --> 01:11:13,830 wayne left there's no question about 1575 01:11:17,180 --> 01:11:15,510 that but i would say if there's any 1576 01:11:19,700 --> 01:11:17,190 political bias it would be a little bit 1577 01:11:22,820 --> 01:11:19,710 to the left so i don't know where this 1578 01:11:24,530 --> 01:11:22,830 dr. brenda denzler is research but i 1579 01:11:27,220 --> 01:11:24,540 would certainly like to see a little bit 1580 01:11:30,649 --> 01:11:27,230 more about this claim of political bias 1581 01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:30,659 and a tendency to be populated by 1582 01:11:36,770 --> 01:11:34,050 middle-aged white males well gee you 1583 01:11:39,470 --> 01:11:36,780 don't need to be an academic and to have 1584 01:11:42,500 --> 01:11:39,480 done too much research to recognize that 1585 01:11:46,189 --> 01:11:42,510 yeah the population it is populated by 1586 01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:46,199 middle-aged white males to a very large 1587 01:11:50,629 --> 01:11:48,650 extent and all you really need to do is 1588 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:50,639 anybody who wants their own Facebook 1589 01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:52,650 group or has their own YouTube channel 1590 01:11:58,129 --> 01:11:55,290 that can take a look and see for 1591 01:12:01,450 --> 01:11:58,139 themselves here's the the the gender and 1592 01:12:04,250 --> 01:12:01,460 age breakdown of my Facebook group with 1593 01:12:06,530 --> 01:12:04,260 75,000 members thank you very much you 1594 01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:06,540 see obviously yeah seventy five percent 1595 01:12:13,250 --> 01:12:09,330 male twenty four percent female yeah a 1596 01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:13,260 very few under the age of 24 most of 1597 01:12:19,129 --> 01:12:16,050 them are in that twenty five - looks 1598 01:12:21,860 --> 01:12:19,139 like roughly sixty four age groups no 1599 01:12:25,330 --> 01:12:21,870 question about it there's no breakdown 1600 01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:25,340 here as far as race or an ethnicity but 1601 01:12:29,660 --> 01:12:27,690 you know you just look at the profile 1602 01:12:31,610 --> 01:12:29,670 pictures you can see yeah most people 1603 01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:31,620 around most of the people are into UFOs 1604 01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:35,520 are white I mean that people get into 1605 01:12:41,060 --> 01:12:37,770 what they get into and maybe I'm 1606 01:12:43,310 --> 01:12:41,070 covering coming from this from kind of 1607 01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:43,320 an odd perspective and that yeah I'm an 1608 01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:45,210 older white male - I didn't get into 1609 01:12:51,290 --> 01:12:48,210 UFOs until seriously seriously like out 1610 01:12:53,149 --> 01:12:51,300 proactively and generating material on 1611 01:12:55,729 --> 01:12:53,159 my own I didn't get into it until I was 1612 01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:55,739 almost 50 years old people get into what 1613 01:12:59,330 --> 01:12:56,640 they get into 1614 01:13:01,550 --> 01:12:59,340 this UFOs you're either into it or 1615 01:13:03,890 --> 01:13:01,560 you're not it's a very very small 1616 01:13:07,130 --> 01:13:03,900 subculture when that when you get right 1617 01:13:10,450 --> 01:13:07,140 down to it and yeah okay so what the the 1618 01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,460 fact that it's overwhelmingly white male 1619 01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:12,480 interest in the field 1620 01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:14,880 well people again people get into what 1621 01:13:18,110 --> 01:13:16,320 they get into we're not talking about 1622 01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:18,120 civil rights here we're not talking 1623 01:13:22,250 --> 01:13:20,370 about issues of economic fairness we're 1624 01:13:24,410 --> 01:13:22,260 talking about what people choose to do 1625 01:13:25,730 --> 01:13:24,420 with their own time and the last time I 1626 01:13:27,980 --> 01:13:25,740 checked maybe it's different up in 1627 01:13:29,900 --> 01:13:27,990 Canada the last time I checked the 1628 01:13:31,730 --> 01:13:29,910 United States is a free country and with 1629 01:13:34,130 --> 01:13:31,740 your free time you can do with it 1630 01:13:36,740 --> 01:13:34,140 whatever you please in effect you know 1631 01:13:38,270 --> 01:13:36,750 minorities tend not to and women that 1632 01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:38,280 tend not to choose to get into the field 1633 01:13:44,750 --> 01:13:42,570 that's their right okay so it doesn't 1634 01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:44,760 mean that the the white males who 1635 01:13:48,050 --> 01:13:46,890 dominate the field and I'm not gonna 1636 01:13:51,050 --> 01:13:48,060 argue that that's not the case that 1637 01:13:53,020 --> 01:13:51,060 pretty obviously is the case or are 1638 01:13:54,260 --> 01:13:53,030 keeping these minorities and women out 1639 01:13:56,330 --> 01:13:54,270 okay 1640 01:13:59,960 --> 01:13:56,340 so I I have to disagree with you here 1641 01:14:02,330 --> 01:13:59,970 okay now I'll tell you why there are 1642 01:14:04,610 --> 01:14:02,340 seven point seven billion people on this 1643 01:14:09,380 --> 01:14:04,620 planet there's no way a single academic 1644 01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:09,390 or other kind of study can encompass or 1645 01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:12,570 represent the UFO community in its 1646 01:14:18,710 --> 01:14:15,930 entirety and outside of it regarding the 1647 01:14:21,700 --> 01:14:18,720 folks who follow faithfully the UFO 1648 01:14:23,900 --> 01:14:21,710 topic now we might be able to glean data 1649 01:14:26,150 --> 01:14:23,910 regarding kinds of demographics that 1650 01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:26,160 followed the UFO topic in F face book 1651 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:28,320 groups as you mentioned however seven 1652 01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:29,850 point seven billion people are not 1653 01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,130 members of Facebook and they're not all 1654 01:14:36,830 --> 01:14:35,040 joined into the UFO groups either now 1655 01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:36,840 some of these folks read articles on the 1656 01:14:40,670 --> 01:14:38,880 UFO topic by looking over UFO related 1657 01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:40,680 posts from public facebook groups or 1658 01:14:45,710 --> 01:14:43,170 other social media in other words they 1659 01:14:48,170 --> 01:14:45,720 are eight other they are another 1660 01:14:51,020 --> 01:14:48,180 demographic of folks who are not counted 1661 01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:51,030 in these studies done by academics and 1662 01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:52,530 scholars or statists 1663 01:14:57,500 --> 01:14:55,650 are part of the larger UFO community but 1664 01:15:00,140 --> 01:14:57,510 just outside of it in a peripheral 1665 01:15:04,700 --> 01:15:00,150 manner the other thing I want to mention 1666 01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:04,710 is the overlooked part about all of this 1667 01:15:09,950 --> 01:15:07,290 is that women are considered 1668 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:09,960 second-class citizens in 1669 01:15:16,370 --> 01:15:12,810 many of the under 200 countries on this 1670 01:15:19,550 --> 01:15:16,380 planet I would like to know how in the 1671 01:15:21,260 --> 01:15:19,560 hell these women who are treated like 1672 01:15:23,979 --> 01:15:21,270 second-class citizens 1673 01:15:27,890 --> 01:15:23,989 are supposed to have the same kind of 1674 01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:27,900 rights as men do or boys for that matter 1675 01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:30,960 to jump on the net and get involved in 1676 01:15:35,870 --> 01:15:33,450 an active way finding out more or 1677 01:15:40,729 --> 01:15:35,880 becoming an activist in the UFO related 1678 01:15:43,370 --> 01:15:40,739 topic it that's that's another part of 1679 01:15:46,910 --> 01:15:43,380 this spectrum of data that is openly 1680 01:15:49,959 --> 01:15:46,920 being ignored while other people like 1681 01:15:54,620 --> 01:15:49,969 this individual here are leaning on 1682 01:15:57,650 --> 01:15:54,630 statistics that in all actuality might 1683 01:16:00,979 --> 01:15:57,660 represent a very narrow aspect of 1684 01:16:04,580 --> 01:16:00,989 society one example is I believe dr. 1685 01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:04,590 Brenda denzler may have used a statistic 1686 01:16:11,420 --> 01:16:08,400 regarding the US and possibly Canada at 1687 01:16:14,959 --> 01:16:11,430 the same time now that does not cover 1688 01:16:17,229 --> 01:16:14,969 yet other under 200 countries in the 1689 01:16:19,790 --> 01:16:17,239 world now she may have used other 1690 01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:19,800 studies not just that one that I 1691 01:16:26,090 --> 01:16:22,560 mentioned here there is one problem with 1692 01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:26,100 it we do not have access to those 1693 01:16:34,340 --> 01:16:30,770 studies polls research that was done 1694 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:34,350 from her book because we we don't have 1695 01:16:38,780 --> 01:16:36,570 that book you have to have thirty five 1696 01:16:40,910 --> 01:16:38,790 dollars to buy the cloth copy and twenty 1697 01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:40,920 five bucks for the book and I cannot 1698 01:16:48,380 --> 01:16:45,450 find any excerpts that reveal all the 1699 01:16:51,260 --> 01:16:48,390 studies she relied upon or did for that 1700 01:16:53,690 --> 01:16:51,270 matter on her own in that book so 1701 01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:53,700 there's an awful lot of things that I 1702 01:16:59,060 --> 01:16:57,090 have at issue regarding what was said in 1703 01:17:04,600 --> 01:16:59,070 that article and I would also like to 1704 01:17:08,300 --> 01:17:04,610 say and that what MJ did was he misused 1705 01:17:10,990 --> 01:17:08,310 statistics in in the sense that he 1706 01:17:15,310 --> 01:17:11,000 talked about the entire UFO community 1707 01:17:19,940 --> 01:17:15,320 while relying on dr. Brenda dense lers 1708 01:17:22,910 --> 01:17:19,950 some of her data and you cannot paint 1709 01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:22,920 the entire UFO community based on very 1710 01:17:27,290 --> 01:17:23,760 narrow 1711 01:17:30,380 --> 01:17:27,300 statistics it's just not fair to us and 1712 01:17:33,170 --> 01:17:30,390 it's a misuse of statistics which 1713 01:17:36,170 --> 01:17:33,180 asserts a falsehood yeah and if you 1714 01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:36,180 follow his lack of logic okay some of 1715 01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:37,650 his are he linked to an article in 1716 01:17:42,590 --> 01:17:39,510 Newsweek that that came out a while back 1717 01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:42,600 about John venturi and that who is a yo 1718 01:17:46,700 --> 01:17:44,400 he's a racist there's no doubt I'm not 1719 01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:46,710 gonna argue that for you John venturi is 1720 01:17:50,780 --> 01:17:48,480 a racist so no good knows no question 1721 01:17:54,230 --> 01:17:50,790 about it so I'm not gonna argue that 1722 01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:54,240 point but that's one guy who you know it 1723 01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:56,610 was no longer associated with MUFON and 1724 01:18:00,200 --> 01:17:58,320 now maybe they should have gotten I 1725 01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:00,210 handled that differently no question 1726 01:18:03,620 --> 01:18:01,290 they should have had to let differently 1727 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:03,630 and moved him along a little bit more 1728 01:18:08,930 --> 01:18:05,610 expeditiously than they did but that's 1729 01:18:10,910 --> 01:18:08,940 one guy okay here's another one guy Stan 1730 01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:10,920 Romanek who was a convicted of 1731 01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:13,760 possession of child pornography you know 1732 01:18:19,430 --> 01:18:17,090 does that mean that the UFO community is 1733 01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:19,440 supports child pornography and that it 1734 01:18:22,910 --> 01:18:21,450 thinks it's okay I don't think so you 1735 01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:22,920 know this is the kind of logic that 1736 01:18:27,500 --> 01:18:25,290 binaya s-- is using and of course he 1737 01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:27,510 turned tail and ran after I added I 1738 01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:30,930 asked him these questions if the fiea if 1739 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:32,490 the field is so racist how do you 1740 01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:34,650 explain the robust Hispanic 1741 01:18:37,970 --> 01:18:36,210 contributions to the field 1742 01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:37,980 yeah no answer I don't think there is a 1743 01:18:42,650 --> 01:18:40,080 next point there's no doubt that that 1744 01:18:46,010 --> 01:18:42,660 the the black involvement in the UFO 1745 01:18:48,980 --> 01:18:46,020 field trails the the general population 1746 01:18:51,380 --> 01:18:48,990 at least here in the states by quite 1747 01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:51,390 some number you know I I don't have to 1748 01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:53,370 see yeah real hard numbers on that 1749 01:18:56,780 --> 01:18:54,810 there's no question about it but again 1750 01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:56,790 people are free to do with their free 1751 01:18:59,720 --> 01:18:59,280 time whatever they choose it's a free 1752 01:19:01,700 --> 01:18:59,730 country 1753 01:19:03,410 --> 01:19:01,710 and if they choose not to get involved 1754 01:19:05,180 --> 01:19:03,420 in UFOs then so be it 1755 01:19:07,580 --> 01:19:05,190 I don't think it's because people are 1756 01:19:09,460 --> 01:19:07,590 standing at the door saying you know no 1757 01:19:11,660 --> 01:19:09,470 blacks allowed or no women allowed 1758 01:19:13,490 --> 01:19:11,670 people are allowed in there's no 1759 01:19:16,220 --> 01:19:13,500 question about that in my mind that as 1760 01:19:18,830 --> 01:19:16,230 your friend Tom Bowden who we had here 1761 01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:18,840 on the show a couple miles back said 1762 01:19:24,410 --> 01:19:21,330 it's an open tent we have an open tent 1763 01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:24,420 they they got rid of the guy that you 1764 01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:26,880 know who was the racist and another 1765 01:19:32,060 --> 01:19:29,520 thing about the ancient astronaut theory 1766 01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:32,070 ancient alien theory FAA theory is so 1767 01:19:36,050 --> 01:19:34,290 inherently racist how do you explain 1768 01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:36,060 those who purport that every major 1769 01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:37,440 technical advance in 1770 01:19:42,170 --> 01:19:40,080 some late 1940s was the result of found 1771 01:19:45,470 --> 01:19:42,180 EG tech who is that racist to guess 1772 01:19:48,140 --> 01:19:45,480 who's been responsible for most of the 1773 01:19:51,890 --> 01:19:48,150 the major technical advances over the 1774 01:19:53,450 --> 01:19:51,900 last 75 years or so you know it's a not 1775 01:19:54,830 --> 01:19:53,460 women and minorities I mean that's just 1776 01:19:57,140 --> 01:19:54,840 the way it it's a you know it's a it's 1777 01:20:01,760 --> 01:19:57,150 been largely yeah older white males 1778 01:20:03,860 --> 01:20:01,770 that's just the way it goes you know the 1779 01:20:07,010 --> 01:20:03,870 sciences get more diverse and I love 1780 01:20:10,730 --> 01:20:07,020 seeing space science articles where you 1781 01:20:12,770 --> 01:20:10,740 see you know women quoted and they're 1782 01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:12,780 involved directly in the research and 1783 01:20:17,060 --> 01:20:14,400 not quoting from their papers and I 1784 01:20:20,210 --> 01:20:17,070 think it's fantastic i I think every 1785 01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:20,220 field I'm a big fan of diversity I think 1786 01:20:24,290 --> 01:20:22,170 that everything but it should be more 1787 01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:24,300 diverse on the one hand but on the other 1788 01:20:29,180 --> 01:20:27,570 hand you know again that people are into 1789 01:20:31,220 --> 01:20:29,190 what they're into and if they chose not 1790 01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:31,230 to follow this if they choose not to get 1791 01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:33,360 interested well that's their right to 1792 01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:36,770 you know I think using a very narrow 1793 01:20:44,810 --> 01:20:40,410 statistic that might be us and or can't 1794 01:20:49,930 --> 01:20:44,820 Canada based and then and then using it 1795 01:20:53,450 --> 01:20:49,940 to represent the entire UFO community is 1796 01:20:55,450 --> 01:20:53,460 unfair and I wanted to mention that 1797 01:20:58,430 --> 01:20:55,460 studies have not been able to do 1798 01:21:01,640 --> 01:20:58,440 statistics these kind of studies have 1799 01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:01,650 not represented statistics of folks from 1800 01:21:06,530 --> 01:21:04,530 other countries that have the biggest 1801 01:21:08,270 --> 01:21:06,540 populations like China or India for 1802 01:21:10,010 --> 01:21:08,280 example people from all over the world 1803 01:21:11,900 --> 01:21:10,020 follow the UFO phenomenon topic and 1804 01:21:14,630 --> 01:21:11,910 never once engaged in racist you have 1805 01:21:16,490 --> 01:21:14,640 pho related literature so to say for the 1806 01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:16,500 sake of example middle-aged white males 1807 01:21:20,990 --> 01:21:18,570 are predominantly what make up the UFO 1808 01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:21,000 community cannot be said with total 1809 01:21:26,810 --> 01:21:23,610 accuracy because these studies did not 1810 01:21:30,110 --> 01:21:26,820 do a census in the nearly 200 countries 1811 01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:30,120 on the planet as a result statistics 1812 01:21:34,990 --> 01:21:31,530 like these get thrown around in an 1813 01:21:37,460 --> 01:21:35,000 authoritative manner like MJ did there 1814 01:21:40,210 --> 01:21:37,470 when he said what he did 1815 01:21:42,650 --> 01:21:40,220 thus propagating the falsehood 1816 01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:42,660 middle-aged white males are only 1817 01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:45,210 involved this is an example we're using 1818 01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:47,610 here to explain a point in the topic of 1819 01:21:49,670 --> 01:21:48,210 ufology 1820 01:21:50,610 --> 01:21:49,680 and when stats like this are thrown 1821 01:21:53,700 --> 01:21:50,620 around that cannot 1822 01:21:56,250 --> 01:21:53,710 possibly be proven as fact that creates 1823 01:21:58,080 --> 01:21:56,260 a whole new level of bias towards a 1824 01:22:00,900 --> 01:21:58,090 group of people who do not represent the 1825 01:22:02,940 --> 01:22:00,910 UFO community as a whole and oddly 1826 01:22:05,250 --> 01:22:02,950 enough can create a whole new level of 1827 01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:05,260 racism which is a very thing he's 1828 01:22:11,580 --> 01:22:09,370 claiming is falsely happening though I 1829 01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:11,590 wanted to read a comment here that one 1830 01:22:15,450 --> 01:22:14,800 person said and that was with all due 1831 01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:15,460 respect 1832 01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:18,610 MJ baniyas you are wrong the fact we are 1833 01:22:23,310 --> 01:22:20,650 having this discussion is because of the 1834 01:22:35,210 --> 01:22:23,320 race card and political card unjustly 1835 01:22:37,830 --> 01:22:35,220 written individuals looking 1836 01:22:39,870 --> 01:22:37,840 you're breaking up so let me jump in 1837 01:22:42,060 --> 01:22:39,880 here and make a little comment and then 1838 01:22:43,290 --> 01:22:42,070 hopefully that the problem is solved 1839 01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:43,300 itself I don't know if you can hear me 1840 01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:45,250 or not it's okay I can I can finish it 1841 01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:47,530 the vast majority of ufologists are 1842 01:22:51,480 --> 01:22:49,810 honest individuals looking for answers 1843 01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:51,490 and publishing information and theories 1844 01:22:56,700 --> 01:22:53,890 the way the words were written in this 1845 01:22:58,740 --> 01:22:56,710 in article would lead the average person 1846 01:23:00,300 --> 01:22:58,750 to believe the majority of ufology is 1847 01:23:03,150 --> 01:23:00,310 made up of racist politically minded 1848 01:23:05,190 --> 01:23:03,160 wackos with ties to neo-nazi white 1849 01:23:07,770 --> 01:23:05,200 supremacist groups which is far from the 1850 01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:07,780 truth if there is a group as described 1851 01:23:13,230 --> 01:23:10,690 in this article it is so small that is a 1852 01:23:15,330 --> 01:23:13,240 moot point and not worth one's time to 1853 01:23:17,850 --> 01:23:15,340 discuss it's more like a mouse in the 1854 01:23:19,740 --> 01:23:17,860 room I see a different agenda in this 1855 01:23:21,510 --> 01:23:19,750 article targeting honest men and women 1856 01:23:24,270 --> 01:23:21,520 who have worked very hard in the world 1857 01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:24,280 of ufology as far as I'm concerned what 1858 01:23:30,750 --> 01:23:26,560 was stated in this article is propaganda 1859 01:23:32,820 --> 01:23:30,760 and yeah and on top of all that it had 1860 01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:32,830 no place in what was otherwise you know 1861 01:23:36,930 --> 01:23:35,170 a decent compendium of the work of a 1862 01:23:40,710 --> 01:23:36,940 very fine journalist it was a just 1863 01:23:43,020 --> 01:23:40,720 completely off topic and irresponsible 1864 01:23:45,990 --> 01:23:43,030 benaiah said I know as stated publicly 1865 01:23:47,820 --> 01:23:46,000 he did have a podcast at one point he 1866 01:23:49,770 --> 01:23:47,830 gave up on it because by his own 1867 01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:49,780 admission he wasn't very good at it you 1868 01:23:53,850 --> 01:23:51,850 might want to consider the same in terms 1869 01:23:56,070 --> 01:23:53,860 of writing about UFOs now let me make 1870 01:23:57,900 --> 01:23:56,080 another point about communities in 1871 01:24:00,300 --> 01:23:57,910 general and demographics and all that I 1872 01:24:01,270 --> 01:24:00,310 mean I do know a little bit about it 1873 01:24:03,339 --> 01:24:01,280 from work 1874 01:24:04,450 --> 01:24:03,349 experience and you know are crunching 1875 01:24:06,819 --> 01:24:04,460 numbers and all that 1876 01:24:11,399 --> 01:24:06,829 no niche interest I don't care whether 1877 01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:11,409 it's UFOs or NASCAR or needlepoint or 1878 01:24:18,939 --> 01:24:14,480 birding or photography or whatever the 1879 01:24:21,549 --> 01:24:18,949 case may be no specific demographic in 1880 01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:21,559 that particular interest niche is going 1881 01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:24,800 to accurately mirror the general 1882 01:24:28,660 --> 01:24:26,690 population it's just never going to 1883 01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:28,670 happen it never never has happened in 1884 01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:29,360 ever will happen 1885 01:24:33,069 --> 01:24:30,530 they're always going to be discrepancies 1886 01:24:34,540 --> 01:24:33,079 some might lean a little bit more female 1887 01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:34,550 some a little bit more male some a 1888 01:24:37,419 --> 01:24:36,050 little bit more white some a little bit 1889 01:24:39,879 --> 01:24:37,429 more Hispanics I'm a little bit more 1890 01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:39,889 black whatever the case may be so you're 1891 01:24:45,700 --> 01:24:43,010 always going to have those demographic 1892 01:24:49,180 --> 01:24:45,710 discrepancies between a niche population 1893 01:24:50,919 --> 01:24:49,190 and a broader general population so that 1894 01:24:55,390 --> 01:24:50,929 that's a point that I want to make and 1895 01:24:59,470 --> 01:24:55,400 also again we make the point that I made 1896 01:25:01,839 --> 01:24:59,480 earlier that just because yeah at least 1897 01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:01,849 at least within the states I do accept 1898 01:25:06,910 --> 01:25:03,440 that at least within the United States 1899 01:25:10,149 --> 01:25:06,920 yeah it means mail or liens white and 1900 01:25:12,279 --> 01:25:10,159 liens older doesn't necessarily mean 1901 01:25:14,620 --> 01:25:12,289 that it's racist yeah I'm sure that 1902 01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:14,630 there are also more racists in the field 1903 01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:17,210 than John venturi yeah he's not the only 1904 01:25:21,580 --> 01:25:19,610 one I'm sure that but by and large I 1905 01:25:24,129 --> 01:25:21,590 would say that the folks in the UFO 1906 01:25:26,770 --> 01:25:24,139 field are generally pretty good folks 1907 01:25:28,870 --> 01:25:26,780 you know they whatever their politics 1908 01:25:30,490 --> 01:25:28,880 might be they're generally pretty decent 1909 01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:30,500 folks there are some notable exceptions 1910 01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:33,770 and you know Venturi's not the only one 1911 01:25:38,770 --> 01:25:35,920 even if the issues that they have are 1912 01:25:40,510 --> 01:25:38,780 rated not necessarily racist in nature 1913 01:25:42,819 --> 01:25:40,520 they've got other issues well you know 1914 01:25:45,790 --> 01:25:42,829 just in terms of integrity and all that 1915 01:25:47,799 --> 01:25:45,800 but there is one other issue with what 1916 01:25:50,589 --> 01:25:47,809 MJ said I would like to mention it and 1917 01:25:52,779 --> 01:25:50,599 this is something that he wrote he said 1918 01:25:54,910 --> 01:25:52,789 I think it's an important aspect in our 1919 01:25:57,129 --> 01:25:54,920 continuous journey to understand the UFO 1920 01:25:59,859 --> 01:25:57,139 phenomenon knowledge is predominantly 1921 01:26:01,330 --> 01:25:59,869 cultural it builds upon history and 1922 01:26:03,399 --> 01:26:01,340 aspects of our past 1923 01:26:06,189 --> 01:26:03,409 so if aspects of our community's 1924 01:26:09,010 --> 01:26:06,199 discourse stems from racist ideologies 1925 01:26:11,290 --> 01:26:09,020 and texts of course that will follow us 1926 01:26:13,810 --> 01:26:11,300 it isn't until we address those issues 1927 01:26:15,189 --> 01:26:13,820 and deal with our collective ghosts that 1928 01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:15,199 we begin to address the bar 1929 01:26:19,930 --> 01:26:18,050 broader question are we alone now I do 1930 01:26:22,660 --> 01:26:19,940 have a comment that I wanted to make 1931 01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:22,670 about that and that is this what do you 1932 01:26:28,449 --> 01:26:25,489 think folks in the UFO community have 1933 01:26:31,149 --> 01:26:28,459 been doing wearing white pointy hats and 1934 01:26:33,339 --> 01:26:31,159 going to meetings to go act racist the 1935 01:26:35,500 --> 01:26:33,349 worldwide UFO community is focused on 1936 01:26:38,919 --> 01:26:35,510 finding out more on the are we alone 1937 01:26:41,410 --> 01:26:38,929 topic than ever before despite this you 1938 01:26:43,779 --> 01:26:41,420 still accuse us of not addressing that 1939 01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:43,789 topic you do not speak for the UFO 1940 01:26:47,109 --> 01:26:45,679 community nor do you represent the 1941 01:26:49,839 --> 01:26:47,119 current reality of what's going on 1942 01:26:52,149 --> 01:26:49,849 either there are tons of dedicated folks 1943 01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:52,159 for all different backgrounds in the UFO 1944 01:26:56,020 --> 01:26:54,170 community who work very hard to find out 1945 01:26:58,930 --> 01:26:56,030 more about the UFO topic on a regular 1946 01:27:01,660 --> 01:26:58,940 your skewed perspectives do them a grave 1947 01:27:03,870 --> 01:27:01,670 injustice these dedicated folks are 1948 01:27:06,939 --> 01:27:03,880 amateur astronomer astronomers 1949 01:27:11,290 --> 01:27:06,949 astronomers people with degrees academic 1950 01:27:14,020 --> 01:27:11,300 types scholars and everyone in between 1951 01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:14,030 ufology has room for everyone these 1952 01:27:18,310 --> 01:27:15,920 dedicated folks are looking for more 1953 01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:18,320 evidence or that elusive thing called 1954 01:27:23,410 --> 01:27:21,530 proof of et civilizations and more just 1955 01:27:26,229 --> 01:27:23,420 like various ufo-related worldwide 1956 01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:26,239 organizations are or the seu which is a 1957 01:27:30,759 --> 01:27:28,489 scientifically coalition for you a piece 1958 01:27:33,129 --> 01:27:30,769 or any other organizations or 1959 01:27:36,009 --> 01:27:33,139 individuals dedicated to the UFO 1960 01:27:38,919 --> 01:27:36,019 phenomenon topic you inserted us into a 1961 01:27:41,229 --> 01:27:38,929 fake drama we do not have roles in nor 1962 01:27:43,149 --> 01:27:41,239 do we deserve either if we were to 1963 01:27:45,969 --> 01:27:43,159 follow your character assassination of 1964 01:27:48,969 --> 01:27:45,979 us the entire worldwide UFO community 1965 01:27:51,310 --> 01:27:48,979 are all racist middle-aged white guys up 1966 01:27:55,449 --> 01:27:51,320 to no good and that is not true nor 1967 01:27:59,109 --> 01:27:55,459 correct nor is it fair to use to us as a 1968 01:28:01,660 --> 01:27:59,119 UFO community I read that last quote 1969 01:28:04,449 --> 01:28:01,670 from him again if you don't mind because 1970 01:28:06,939 --> 01:28:04,459 I want to tear into it too sure let me 1971 01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:06,949 just go ahead and go up to it I'll just 1972 01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:08,449 start from the beginning where he 1973 01:28:14,529 --> 01:28:12,170 started it's just a very small I might 1974 01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:14,539 interrupt you and I'll get going great 1975 01:28:21,699 --> 01:28:18,650 get me going let me work so this is m-g 1976 01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:21,709 baniyas yes about this article and he 1977 01:28:25,179 --> 01:28:23,360 was addressing the part that folks 1978 01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:25,189 brought to his attention regarding the 1979 01:28:31,540 --> 01:28:29,050 racist part and more and he says 1980 01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:31,550 fork has been done concerning this it's 1981 01:28:35,380 --> 01:28:33,440 no secret as per the study done by dr. 1982 01:28:40,810 --> 01:28:35,390 Brenda denzler that the UFO community 1983 01:28:44,020 --> 01:28:40,820 does have political bias I'm leading up 1984 01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:44,030 to it has have political bias and a 1985 01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:46,010 tendency to be populated by middle-aged 1986 01:28:49,570 --> 01:28:47,810 white males it's interesting from a 1987 01:28:51,370 --> 01:28:49,580 gender perspective that the vast 1988 01:28:54,490 --> 01:28:51,380 majority of UFO researchers and experts 1989 01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:54,500 in quotes are male as well I think it's 1990 01:28:59,080 --> 01:28:57,050 an important aspect in our continuous 1991 01:29:02,370 --> 01:28:59,090 journey to understand the UFO phenomenon 1992 01:29:05,500 --> 01:29:02,380 knowledge is predominantly cultural it 1993 01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:05,510 builds upon history and aspects of our 1994 01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:06,170 past 1995 01:29:11,380 --> 01:29:08,330 so if aspects of our community's 1996 01:29:14,260 --> 01:29:11,390 discourse stems from racist ideologies 1997 01:29:16,450 --> 01:29:14,270 and texts of course that will follow us 1998 01:29:19,390 --> 01:29:16,460 it isn't until we address those issues 1999 01:29:20,770 --> 01:29:19,400 and deal with our collective ghosts that 2000 01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:20,780 we can begin to address the broader 2001 01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:23,330 question are we alone what a hot 2002 01:29:28,959 --> 01:29:26,930 steaming pile of [\h__\h] I know and I'm 2003 01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:28,969 not surprised that he ran away from my 2004 01:29:32,620 --> 01:29:30,800 very simple questions that basically 2005 01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:32,630 deflate all of his stupid arguments 2006 01:29:39,670 --> 01:29:37,130 again Oh ancient alien theory is racist 2007 01:29:42,540 --> 01:29:39,680 because you know dark-skinned people 2008 01:29:44,620 --> 01:29:42,550 couldn't have built those pyramids and 2009 01:29:46,900 --> 01:29:44,630 megalithic structures on their own 2010 01:29:49,180 --> 01:29:46,910 without the help of aliens that's but 2011 01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:49,190 you know again it is a pervasive 2012 01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:51,920 thinking in the field okay and a a 2013 01:29:56,530 --> 01:29:53,930 theory does not dominate the field I 2014 01:29:58,090 --> 01:29:56,540 granted the ancient alien show it has 2015 01:30:00,280 --> 01:29:58,100 been running for years and that gets 2016 01:30:02,950 --> 01:30:00,290 great ratings because it's a wildly 2017 01:30:04,209 --> 01:30:02,960 ridiculously entertaining show and the 2018 01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:04,219 people who were a part of it are 2019 01:30:08,410 --> 01:30:06,290 incredibly and I mean incredibly 2020 01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:08,420 enthusiastic about their subject it's 2021 01:30:13,570 --> 01:30:11,810 not all dark and fear porn and you know 2022 01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:13,580 that that's a big part of the reason why 2023 01:30:18,729 --> 01:30:15,770 it's so successful in my view but again 2024 01:30:20,950 --> 01:30:18,739 you know if it's so racist there's also 2025 01:30:22,990 --> 01:30:20,960 a school of thought within the field and 2026 01:30:25,420 --> 01:30:23,000 I'll make this point again and I'll be 2027 01:30:27,370 --> 01:30:25,430 ready to wrap up after this that every 2028 01:30:30,070 --> 01:30:27,380 major technical advance since the late 2029 01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:30,080 1940s was the result of found et Tech 2030 01:30:34,990 --> 01:30:32,449 there are people in this field and I you 2031 01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:35,000 know I I don't I might agree with some 2032 01:30:38,709 --> 01:30:37,400 of it I'd certainly qualify the majority 2033 01:30:41,709 --> 01:30:38,719 of it and there's some of that's just 2034 01:30:44,290 --> 01:30:41,719 completely over the top but 2035 01:30:47,169 --> 01:30:44,300 their answer to everything is aliens 2036 01:30:49,149 --> 01:30:47,179 whether it's back during the the days of 2037 01:30:51,339 --> 01:30:49,159 the ancient pyramids or itself right up 2038 01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:51,349 to today talking about transistors or 2039 01:30:56,739 --> 01:30:53,840 lasers or anything like that every 2040 01:30:59,200 --> 01:30:56,749 answer is aliens mm-hmm yes that's very 2041 01:31:02,109 --> 01:30:59,210 true I did want to address something 2042 01:31:05,229 --> 01:31:02,119 that's very important and that is MJ 2043 01:31:08,319 --> 01:31:05,239 banya said knowledge is predominantly 2044 01:31:10,350 --> 01:31:08,329 cultural so this is what I had to say 2045 01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:10,360 and what does that even mean 2046 01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:13,760 him being as usual gasbag self what does 2047 01:31:17,979 --> 01:31:15,170 it even mean it means nothing 2048 01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:17,989 knowledge is cultural that statement is 2049 01:31:22,899 --> 01:31:20,090 not true in its entirety let me explain 2050 01:31:25,089 --> 01:31:22,909 why the kind of knowledge that MJ is 2051 01:31:26,739 --> 01:31:25,099 talking about is cultural knowledge 2052 01:31:33,009 --> 01:31:26,749 which is different than the word 2053 01:31:34,750 --> 01:31:33,019 knowledge let me jump in here there's a 2054 01:31:35,229 --> 01:31:34,760 lot of scientific cross-cultural 2055 01:31:37,899 --> 01:31:35,239 knowledge 2056 01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:37,909 math is math no matter where you go exam 2057 01:31:43,569 --> 01:31:41,210 ass is math science is science doesn't 2058 01:31:46,299 --> 01:31:43,579 matter where you go right so there are 2059 01:31:48,609 --> 01:31:46,309 several definitions of knowledge and he 2060 01:31:50,709 --> 01:31:48,619 cited one of them and the explanation 2061 01:31:52,569 --> 01:31:50,719 for it does not accurately portray the 2062 01:31:55,660 --> 01:31:52,579 UFO community by any stretch of the 2063 01:31:57,219 --> 01:31:55,670 imagination he also states if aspects of 2064 01:31:59,379 --> 01:31:57,229 our community's discourse stems from 2065 01:32:01,419 --> 01:31:59,389 racist ideologies and texts which it 2066 01:32:04,660 --> 01:32:01,429 doesn't of course that will follow us 2067 01:32:06,430 --> 01:32:04,670 and though so what I have to say to that 2068 01:32:08,379 --> 01:32:06,440 is the worldwide UFO community does not 2069 01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:08,389 reflect the kind of discourse he's 2070 01:32:12,910 --> 01:32:11,210 espousing here at times he's lumping in 2071 01:32:15,069 --> 01:32:12,920 the entire UFO community under the 2072 01:32:16,959 --> 01:32:15,079 umbrella of old stereotypes and then 2073 01:32:20,649 --> 01:32:16,969 leaving the UFO community with the short 2074 01:32:23,890 --> 01:32:20,659 end of the stick this is a certain and 2075 01:32:25,930 --> 01:32:23,900 maybe his thinking is unduly affected by 2076 01:32:28,390 --> 01:32:25,940 the the wine and cheese culture he hangs 2077 01:32:31,029 --> 01:32:28,400 around it where everything is racist and 2078 01:32:33,189 --> 01:32:31,039 all of their ideas are brilliant backed 2079 01:32:33,719 --> 01:32:33,199 up by research shoddy research I might 2080 01:32:38,049 --> 01:32:33,729 add 2081 01:32:40,359 --> 01:32:38,059 well his research what he said I believe 2082 01:32:42,549 --> 01:32:40,369 is a form of sabotage through the use of 2083 01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:42,559 old stereotypes that do not currently 2084 01:32:47,620 --> 01:32:45,170 apply to us nor are they relevant to the 2085 01:32:50,859 --> 01:32:47,630 worldwide UFO community again they do 2086 01:32:53,379 --> 01:32:50,869 not currently apply why because in the 2087 01:32:55,310 --> 01:32:53,389 under 200 countries there has not been 2088 01:33:00,050 --> 01:32:55,320 any studies done 2089 01:33:02,050 --> 01:33:00,060 by any academics or any organization 2090 01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:02,060 that I'm aware of 2091 01:33:08,899 --> 01:33:05,130 regarding the kinds of things that he is 2092 01:33:16,100 --> 01:33:08,909 claiming to be true in a broad sense we 2093 01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:16,110 spent a half hour on this it is 2094 01:33:21,709 --> 01:33:19,199 important to defend the UFO community to 2095 01:33:24,169 --> 01:33:21,719 call to call the UFO community racist in 2096 01:33:29,030 --> 01:33:24,179 the manner that he did of regarding what 2097 01:33:31,510 --> 01:33:29,040 we read that he he wrote not just on a 2098 01:33:35,060 --> 01:33:31,520 blog but in a article on a mainstream 2099 01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:35,070 website right it needs to be addressed 2100 01:33:39,709 --> 01:33:37,050 yet within the context of an article 2101 01:33:41,839 --> 01:33:39,719 that this these comments had absolutely 2102 01:33:43,609 --> 01:33:41,849 no place there were non sequiturs within 2103 01:33:45,530 --> 01:33:43,619 the context of the larger argument or 2104 01:33:48,350 --> 01:33:45,540 the larger article I should say so 2105 01:33:50,470 --> 01:33:48,360 alright I I'm exhausted by this chant 2106 01:33:53,030 --> 01:33:50,480 it's been a it's been an ugly 2107 01:33:54,859 --> 01:33:53,040 hour-and-a-half roughly now that we've 2108 01:33:56,839 --> 01:33:54,869 been going through a lot of the crap 2109 01:33:58,669 --> 01:33:56,849 that's come down now hopefully we're 2110 01:34:01,040 --> 01:33:58,679 gonna have some some good stuff some 2111 01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:01,050 positive stuff about UFOs about the 2112 01:34:05,870 --> 01:34:03,810 phenomenon and not how people go about 2113 01:34:08,060 --> 01:34:05,880 the phenomena and some of whom really 2114 01:34:10,370 --> 01:34:08,070 you know ought to find something 2115 01:34:14,300 --> 01:34:10,380 different to do with them yeah anything 2116 01:34:15,950 --> 01:34:14,310 else to close this up um I just think 2117 01:34:18,229 --> 01:34:15,960 it's important for people to understand 2118 01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:18,239 that statistics can be used in a 2119 01:34:25,970 --> 01:34:22,010 misleading fashion and can manipulate 2120 01:34:29,270 --> 01:34:25,980 people I'm into thinking something other 2121 01:34:31,310 --> 01:34:29,280 than what the data may reveal and it's 2122 01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:31,320 important that people also understand 2123 01:34:37,100 --> 01:34:33,570 that over generally over generalizations 2124 01:34:41,030 --> 01:34:37,110 can occur with with statistics in a 2125 01:34:44,180 --> 01:34:41,040 biased manner so you know and this is 2126 01:34:46,010 --> 01:34:44,190 what I think happens a lot folks who 2127 01:34:49,129 --> 01:34:46,020 call themselves journalists or people 2128 01:34:51,350 --> 01:34:49,139 who write articles will write this kind 2129 01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:51,360 of crap all the time even though it's 2130 01:34:57,319 --> 01:34:54,810 damaging to certain communities and then 2131 01:34:59,990 --> 01:34:57,329 going to the next article I say that in 2132 01:35:02,540 --> 01:35:00,000 quotes without thinking they'll be 2133 01:35:04,910 --> 01:35:02,550 called out on it and maybe they don't 2134 01:35:07,700 --> 01:35:04,920 care but you know what it's important to 2135 01:35:08,690 --> 01:35:07,710 understand that if you're gonna write 2136 01:35:10,250 --> 01:35:08,700 something it 2137 01:35:13,310 --> 01:35:10,260 least right something and that can be 2138 01:35:15,500 --> 01:35:13,320 verifiably verified is true I have no 2139 01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:15,510 doubt that he believes it to me that 2140 01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:19,770 that's with this guy so you know this is 2141 01:35:23,030 --> 01:35:21,810 we've had this show almost two years I 2142 01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:23,040 think this is the first time his name's 2143 01:35:26,930 --> 01:35:25,410 come up and hopefully it's the last so 2144 01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:26,940 yeah I'm ready to call tonight what do 2145 01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:29,250 you think Jan yeah we do have a great 2146 01:35:32,870 --> 01:35:30,690 show that's gonna go on this Sunday I 2147 01:35:35,330 --> 01:35:32,880 I'll go ahead and we'll go over the 2148 01:35:41,420 --> 01:35:35,340 guests on Sunday but I really recommend 2149 01:35:48,380 --> 01:35:41,430 those folks because legendary people in 2150 01:35:51,410 --> 01:35:48,390 the row oh gee that has been involved in 2151 01:35:52,850 --> 01:35:51,420 the world of ufology for a couple 2152 01:35:55,310 --> 01:35:52,860 decades a little over a couple decades 2153 01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:55,320 and I know there's a lot of questions 2154 01:36:00,290 --> 01:35:58,560 about this topic I can't really say who 2155 01:36:01,790 --> 01:36:00,300 is going to be on the show but I can 2156 01:36:04,340 --> 01:36:01,800 tell you it's gonna be about the alien 2157 01:36:05,990 --> 01:36:04,350 autopsy film and we're gonna have some 2158 01:36:08,090 --> 01:36:06,000 really interesting folks who are going 2159 01:36:10,460 --> 01:36:08,100 to attack this topic and we're gonna 2160 01:36:12,470 --> 01:36:10,470 listen to them go at it regarding this 2161 01:36:14,860 --> 01:36:12,480 subject sounds like fun alright we're 2162 01:36:18,740 --> 01:36:14,870 out of here enjoy your weekend and 2163 01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:18,750 thanks for spending your free time I 2164 01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:21,210 assume most of our listeners are living 2165 01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:23,370 in free countries and obviously you've 2166 01:36:28,130 --> 01:36:25,440 got the right to do whatever it is you 2167 01:36:30,650 --> 01:36:28,140 want to do with your free time and I'm 2168 01:36:33,230 --> 01:36:30,660 so very very glad so very very glad that 2169 01:36:34,460 --> 01:36:33,240 you've chosen your free time to have to 2170 01:36:35,990 --> 01:36:34,470 spend up listening to us